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Comment by potato3732842

2 days ago

We haven't even tried to solve this any other way.

Pitting people against each other should be a last, last, last, resort.

Low trust is VERY expensive. It's asinine to introduce it to anywhere it doesn't already exist.

We have in other domains, there's a reason whistleblower protections and rewards exist.

There needs to be protections and incentives for, for example, low level employees to report their employers when they're privy to them breaking the law.

I'd argue recording people to the point of virtual stalking, selling data, building dossiers, etc is a violation of basic trust and the foundation of a low trust society.

  • >I'd argue recording people to the point of virtual stalking, selling data, building dossiers, etc is a violation of basic trust and the foundation of a low trust society.

    I agree. I'm not sure making the employer-employee relationship worse to prevent it actually makes it better though. Every retail company is doing some amount of security stuff that's adjacent to this even if they're being tasteful.

    Can we try "just" making it like normal levels of illegal before we make the employer-employee relationship dynamic worse in any workplace where data that could be used in this way is at all relevant?

    • Implementing workers' rights and protections for whistleblowers improves the employer-employee relationship by protecting honest employees from retaliation from employers who are already intent on violating the law.

Criminality is a breach of trust.

  • >Criminality is a breach of trust.

    I dare you to explain how without using a) an example where in the absence of law trust would not also be breached b) claiming the tipster's trust is breached because they inherit that breach through the N levels of government above them until you get to a level that both the narc and the IRS inherit from c) making some assertion that would create either insanity or hilarity if used to reason about other mundane illegality (e.g bringing some personal weed through a non legal state).

    Also the cash under the table workforce is alive and well wheras the mail order drugs industry goes through great pains to structure itself and engage in opsec such that trust is not needed. That would seem to indicated that tax evasion is not inherently a breach of trust.