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Comment by layer8

2 days ago

I agree, but there can be IP rights involved that make this difficult.

It's not like consumer electronics contain top secret tech like EUV machines. All supply chain for firmware / software of 99.99% devices is very boring, contains absolutely nothing secret and the only reason why it's "difficult" is because IP owners was not bothered.

Once single EU / US legislation introduced that force manufacturers into opening end-of-life products all IP right owners will either immediately make it possible or go out of business.

Since everyone will be forced to do the same no one will gain any advantages.

  • I’m more thinking of patents and licensed third-party technology and firmware. There are standard tech stacks controlled by industry associations that you simply can’t open source because the association would sue you and kick you out.

    • These associations do not just exist in vacuum. They have licenses like this because law allow it and it's beneficial to them. Once there are regulation that demand something else they'll just follow the law.

      Also it's not like every single bit of firmware / software must be open sourced - it's could very much be trade off where devices just need to be unlocked for modification and documentation made available.

They're just publishing API documentation. No source code of the device got published.

At least people can create their own implementation of the API tho.

  • If the publish the API for the server, as well as allow the device to specify the API hostname to connect to, that's all I need. We can write our own server implementation fairly easily, and this saves us the hassle of having to reverse-engineer the API, plus makes setup much easier if we can just tell the device where to connect.

    I wish more manufacturers would unlock their devices for local use when they don't want to support them any more. Or maybe even, hear me out, before support ends! Maybe we could even vote with our wallets and buy open stuff instead of walled gardens.

Sure but that should be an up front conversation. "OK, how do we make sure as few of these turn into bricks?"

If IP rights make doing the right thing too onerous, we can always reduce IP rights powers in this specific situation.

Or across the board, since they are absurdly powerful right now. Nintendo could not legally keep you from hacking a console before the DMCA.

If they know they have to do it up front the ip rights issue disappears.

  • I’m all for that, but also the product might not exist if they can’t use third-party protected IP for it.