That article says "at least 19 protesters and one member of the security forces have been killed", although that was as of a few days ago.
The numbers you quoted are from the end of the article, which is about the previous demonstrations in 2022.
(In fairness, it's confusing because BBC News articles put almost every sentence into its own paragraph, which I think is intended to help low literacy people read them. But it does make it hard to follow the connections between sentences that really ought to be together in a paragraph, like in this case.)
Unfortunately we've seen protests like this before in Iran (perhaps not this widespread, however).
Shouting in the streets won't end the regime. The regime will either just wait it out, or clamp down with violence. The people will need to take more direct action if they hope for any change to come out of this - which unfortunately likely means more death.
Without weapons, the people of Iran will have a difficult time overthrowing the regime. This may highlight to some folks abroad the importance of the US's 2nd Amendment, and an armed civilian population - things we take for granted in the US, and some wish to abolish.
It's a nasty, depressing situation. The regime needs to end. The people of Iran, and the people of the world will be far better off without this regime.
I disagree with this - there have been overthrowings that did not require weapons in the field (i.e. Egypt, Tunisia), while widespread weapons were likely to cause civil wars (Lybia, Syria). In these cases however the role of the army was key in forcing the rulers out (and in Egypt to replace them), which might be unlikely in the case of Iran.
> This may highlight to some folks abroad
> the importance of the US's 2nd Amendment,
> and an armed civilian population
British India, the USSR, East Germany, Francoist Spain, Apartheid South Africa, Communist Romania etc. etc. The 20th century is full of repressive regimes with even more repressive gun laws that fell due to protests etc.
The idea that everyone can show up at the protest with their AR-15, somehow defeat the state's security forces in armed combat, and that the result will be some enlightened republic is an American fantasy, informed by what's at best a selective reading of American history.
If it comes to that you're much more likely to end up under some warlord. Afghanistan and especially Africa are full of people who are well armed and where exactly that's happened more often than not.
> This may highlight to some folks abroad the importance of the US's 2nd Amendment, and an armed civilian population
I don't think this highlight that at all. Judging by what has happened so far, the people who have the guns join the tyranny rather than oppose it. Why would it be any different in Iran?
Except authoritarians can only clamp down in protests so much, working against them is economic and even regional social collapse due to running out of water. There's a lot building against them.
I actually hope western countries stay out, lest it gives support for nationalists to rally
I fear so much for the future of Iran. Iran needs to decide its future, free from outside powers. Iran's entire 20th and 21st centuries of paranoia and strife can be traced back to, partly (imo mostly), to British, Russian, and eventually American interference, meddling, and domination in the 19th, 20th, and 21st century respectively.
Iran will never have a happy store as long as it remains an "interests" for greater powers.
I came here to comment on this specific issue. The level of unsustainable groundwater extraction and inefficient consumption by agriculture and industry in Iran is just wild.
Certainly foreign powers caused a lot of damage to Iran, but nowhere near as much as the Islamic Regime and considering that is what, I hope, we are witnessing the overthrow of. I think that we have cause to be optimistic
What was always intriguing for me in Iranian politics is the support for bringing back the Shah, a government which was not the pinnacle of freedom. It's either things are that bad, people are nostalgic or it's a narrative pushed by the Islamic Republic to defame the protestors (the last seems unlikely though).
Isn't there the possibility of just asking for a non-autocratic figure?
Democracy is not just a switch you flip on or off. Iran has literally no cultural history of anything than autocracy. Monarch -> Shah -> Theocratic Dictator.
Its a very western view that Democracy is the pinnacle form of government. I dont think all cultures align that way.
"Shah" is actually an abbreviation for Persian "Shahanshah" ("King of kings"), the very same title Cyrus the Great claimed. But the Shah's government in the 20th century was actually quite successful in modernizing the country, fostering a robust middle class, securing women's rights and gradually reducing the oppressive power of Islamic clerics in education and the court system. This is ultimately why those very same clerics ultimately pushed for an "Islamic" revolution which undid the bulk of those gains.
> Its a very western view that Democracy is the pinnacle form of government.
Not only a Western view: South Korea made a very successful transition from an initially authoritarian government to a real liberal democracy, and a very similar story in Taiwan. But the key there is "liberal", as in "classical liberal": protection of foundational rights actually matters a whole lot more than whether people are physically able to vote for a candidate on an election ballot. The latter is generally useless without the former, but it does help make popular sovereignty more robust once the former is in place.
That’s skipping over more than 100 years of recent history. Iran started transitioning to a democratic form of government with establishment of parliament after constitutional revolution starting from 1905. Twice, foreign super powers meddled and help derail it.
Even if that's the case, you would assume they'd not ask back for the previous problematic iteration.
I do agree that democracy generally fails in the middle east or anywhere there is a sizable amount of people that do not believe in democracy.
However, the current Iranian system is autocratic but it works really hard to mask it to appear democratic, so obviously the appearance is important to them and presumably for the people
Iran was once democracy too, but in 1953, United States (CIA) and the United Kingdom (MI6) orchestrated a coup that overthrew Iran's democratically elected Prime Minister.
Mosaddegh had nationalized Iran's oil industry in 1951, which had been controlled by the British owned Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (now BP).
So in August 1953, the CIA and MI6 organized protests, bribed military officers and politicians, and spread propaganda to destabilize Mosaddegh's government.
Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, who had fled during the initial coup attempt, returned and ruled as an authoritarian monarch with strong US backing until the 1979 Iranian Revolution.
In 2013, the CIA released declassified documents confirming American involvement, and in 2000, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright acknowledged the US role, calling it a "setback for democratic government" in Iran.
I heard a recent underground poll taken before these protests showed about 1/3 support the Shah, 1/3 oppose him, and 1/3 are ambivalent. The government of Iran has silenced all of its internal opponents, and the Shah is the most well-known and most popular external opponent.
Even if they don't love him, a vast majority would prefer him over the Ayatollahs.
I don't think there is a possibility. A democracy that isn't in the US' interest (and now Russia's) descends into autocracy as a defense against interference. A Shah is a compromise that gives them acceptability to the superpowers and a better life than an opposing autocracy.
Literally once in a lifetime chances for human rights in a regime that has hung several women for not covering their faces this year is a bit different then the latest CNN headline.
Unfortunately many of these people revel in hypocrisy, and believe it makes them superior that they are willing to use it when others aren't. Nevertheless always worth pointing out!
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Obviously related. The protests are not organic. There are photos online of cash, and guns provided by Mossad. Iran is trying to get control by pulling the plug on the chaos.
Israel wants nothing more than another failed state filled with sectarian violence.
Ironically there have been much larger real protests in Israel. Zionism has become completely unstable. The good news is that means it's close to failing, the bad news is that it will become even more desperate and violent as it perishes.
The immediate flagging of any non-Zionist comment on this and the other Iran post is pretty wild. Mods can you please disable flags or at least do something about the clear manipulation happening here?
Protesting theocracies is a sacred duty for any self-respecting leftist. I rather have a monarchy than a theocracy, a dictatorship rather than a monarchy, an oligarchy rather than a dictatorship, and a democracy rather than an oligarchy.
That said: please also protest any inference from foreign power, whether they are an oligarchy, a dictatorship or another theocracy/ethno-state. If the current Syrian situation is believable, a revolution/coup from the base show better results than one supported by the US/Russia or local powers.
“If Iran shots and violently kills peaceful protesters, which is their custom, the United States of America will come to their rescue. We are locked and loaded and ready to go. Thank you for your attention to this matter!”
Be weary of taking this seriously. The Israelis are trying to drum up support for attacking Iran. It's pretty shameful that this is posted on HackerNews tbh.
Not to detract from the content here but I do find it very telling that posts about domestic US issues (including protests) repeatedly get flagged on HN, including just today[1], but there are currently two posts about Iranian protests on the front page.
I think this is because anyone who understands the Middle East knows that the fall of the Iranian regime would be more consequential than the fall of the Berlin Wall, not because the Islamic Republic is a global power, but because it has been a central tool for China and Russia and a major engine of terrorism in the Middle East.
Its collapse would rip out a core pillar of their influence and fundamentally change global power dynamics.
I understand the Middle East and know that Iran is our ally in the fight against Zionism. I also understand that these "protests" are inorganic and have failed in their attempt to inflict damage on Iran.
Thanks for bringing this up, I'm just realizing the same now.
"HN is not a political forum" or "if you expect to see it on the news, it probably should not be on HN" is invoked all the time when there's a post about the US, but never when the story is about any other country.
If it's helpful to note, Twitter was always intended to become what it has become. We need to return to organizing our own networks free of this control.
You nailed it, it's totally non-organic. There are massive protests in Israel (and the US!), yet small protests in Iran are being absolutely shoved down our throats on every single social media site in preparation for yet another unprovoked attack against Iran by Israel.
Yes in America you can have your pick of Pepsi Agenda or Coke Agenda as long as you don't do something like organize protests in Ferguson, at which point you will be murdered in your car and your death reported on page 30 of the newspaper.
One aspect is that there has been little coverage by the media about these protests that have been going on for close to a couple of weeks and two, presumably the Iranian regular forces are repressing their protestors. People in the US are protesting against what the same organization, despite doing the same job under previous presidencies didn’t get protested as much if at all. If I recall correctly last year the current admin just beat the Obama admin on people deported in a single year.
> People in the US are protesting against what the same organization, despite doing the same job under previous presidencies
ICE, CBP, etc., and the other agencies that have been deployed in what this Administration calls an “immigration crackdown” or “mass deportation effort” or a number of other variations which emphasize that it is a new and more forceful policy, were not carrying out either what that campaign is publicly characterized as by the administration, or the campaign of domestic terrorism against the American population, including murdering citizens on the street, that it actually is, under previous presidencies.
> If I recall correctly last year the current admin just beat the Obama admin on people deported in a single year.
Aside from demonstrating that the purpose of the campaign is not efficiently increasing deportation of people actually illegally present in the United States (a point that critics of the policy have no problem at all agreeing with), I’m not sure what point you think that comparison makes.
> People in the US are protesting against what the same organization, despite doing the same job under previous presidencies didn’t get protested as much if at all. If I recall correctly last year the current admin just beat the Obama admin on people deported in a single year.
This is not what people are protesting in the US, though it is a convenient talking point used by MAGA to dodge the issue of ICE deporting US citizens without due process, or straight up murdering them.
I took this map as a positive (Iranians protesting their totalitarian theocracy). I wish there were a corresponding map for the US, of Americans protesting their dictatorship. Alas, I don't know of any large protests yet.
They're actually not doing that, they're doing the opposite of that, calling to bring back the secular shah to replace their current Islamic theocracy.
Why is a map of unrest in Iran equal to Israeli propaganda? I'd say the Iranian population has more agency than whatever Israeli institution you'd accuse of producing this site, let alone going out in the streets of Iranian cities to protest the current regime.
Well first of all a lot of these protest are pro Iranian government. Second, there are much bigger anti-government protests happening right now in Israel, but there's no state apparatus trying to bring attention to them (quite the opposite). An Israeli bus driver even drove over an murdered an anti-war protester. But most importantly, this is a coordinated effort to manufacture consent for Israel's next preemptive attack on Iran.
You 5 days ago: “ You are still young so you don't seem to get it yet but history has shown that killing or capturing the leader of a country with outside actors rarely leads to anything good. It usually just leads to more instability.”
The only involvement Israel or any nation should have here is arming or protecting the protesters. Anything beyond that would end in disaster. And by protecting protesters, I mean granting them asylum if they need it, not sending in troops.
The last thing we need is Israel or any other nation deciding they want to be the new rulers of Iran. That will work out just as well as the US's involvement in Afghanistan or Iraq.
While there is no doubt Israel would be glad to be rid of the current regime in Iran it is far more relevant that a large part of the Iranian population seems to want to get rid of the current regime. It is quite risky to partake in protests there but people do it anyway because they - as far as I can see rightly so - are done with their country being held back by the current regime.
Let's hope that any regime change in Iran happens with as little bloodshed as possible and that the new regime actually represents the population instead of only some powerful (domestic or foreign) faction. Khamenei seems to have prepared for a run to Russia [1] together with 20 members of his family so let him climb aboard that plane and leave sooner rather than later.
This is what the kids are being spoon fed these days I guess. US = imperialism = bad. Else = good. So one dimensional. No empathy for the Iranian people who just want to be able to live with these same freedoms these kids don't even know they have. Pathetic
I have so much admiration for anyone who protests a regime as oppressive and brutal as theirs.
Just by being involved, I imagine they’re in serious danger. So far, more than 550 people have been killed and 20k detained by security forces.[1]
Godspeed.
Edit: these death numbers are from an older protest and are inaccurate. Please see article / comments below :)
[1]https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce3kl56z2l4o
That article says "at least 19 protesters and one member of the security forces have been killed", although that was as of a few days ago.
The numbers you quoted are from the end of the article, which is about the previous demonstrations in 2022.
(In fairness, it's confusing because BBC News articles put almost every sentence into its own paragraph, which I think is intended to help low literacy people read them. But it does make it hard to follow the connections between sentences that really ought to be together in a paragraph, like in this case.)
Oh, oops… thanks for the correction. Must’ve skimmed it too quickly.
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Unfortunately we've seen protests like this before in Iran (perhaps not this widespread, however).
Shouting in the streets won't end the regime. The regime will either just wait it out, or clamp down with violence. The people will need to take more direct action if they hope for any change to come out of this - which unfortunately likely means more death.
Without weapons, the people of Iran will have a difficult time overthrowing the regime. This may highlight to some folks abroad the importance of the US's 2nd Amendment, and an armed civilian population - things we take for granted in the US, and some wish to abolish.
It's a nasty, depressing situation. The regime needs to end. The people of Iran, and the people of the world will be far better off without this regime.
I hope the best for the people of Iran.
I disagree with this - there have been overthrowings that did not require weapons in the field (i.e. Egypt, Tunisia), while widespread weapons were likely to cause civil wars (Lybia, Syria). In these cases however the role of the army was key in forcing the rulers out (and in Egypt to replace them), which might be unlikely in the case of Iran.
British India, the USSR, East Germany, Francoist Spain, Apartheid South Africa, Communist Romania etc. etc. The 20th century is full of repressive regimes with even more repressive gun laws that fell due to protests etc.
The idea that everyone can show up at the protest with their AR-15, somehow defeat the state's security forces in armed combat, and that the result will be some enlightened republic is an American fantasy, informed by what's at best a selective reading of American history.
If it comes to that you're much more likely to end up under some warlord. Afghanistan and especially Africa are full of people who are well armed and where exactly that's happened more often than not.
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> This may highlight to some folks abroad the importance of the US's 2nd Amendment, and an armed civilian population
I don't think this highlight that at all. Judging by what has happened so far, the people who have the guns join the tyranny rather than oppose it. Why would it be any different in Iran?
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I worry the same - a weak regime is a dangerous one, and I fear this will involve a lot of suffering either way for the people of Iran.
Except authoritarians can only clamp down in protests so much, working against them is economic and even regional social collapse due to running out of water. There's a lot building against them.
I actually hope western countries stay out, lest it gives support for nationalists to rally
How is that working out for America? Some lady got shot the other day by some out-of-control cosplay militia.
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I fear so much for the future of Iran. Iran needs to decide its future, free from outside powers. Iran's entire 20th and 21st centuries of paranoia and strife can be traced back to, partly (imo mostly), to British, Russian, and eventually American interference, meddling, and domination in the 19th, 20th, and 21st century respectively.
Iran will never have a happy store as long as it remains an "interests" for greater powers.
Regardless of the powers that be, I don't see how it's possibly going to deal with the lack of water. Does a solution exist at all?
I came here to comment on this specific issue. The level of unsustainable groundwater extraction and inefficient consumption by agriculture and industry in Iran is just wild.
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Certainly foreign powers caused a lot of damage to Iran, but nowhere near as much as the Islamic Regime and considering that is what, I hope, we are witnessing the overthrow of. I think that we have cause to be optimistic
What countries helped overthrow prime minister Mossadegh, who wanted to nationalize Iran's foreign owned oil, and installed a dictatorship?
What countries backed the mullahs against Iran's secular and left opposition, helping SAVAK kill the opposition?
In 1979 the US was working to prevent anti-anti-Russian forces from coming to power, not the mullahs.
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What was always intriguing for me in Iranian politics is the support for bringing back the Shah, a government which was not the pinnacle of freedom. It's either things are that bad, people are nostalgic or it's a narrative pushed by the Islamic Republic to defame the protestors (the last seems unlikely though).
Isn't there the possibility of just asking for a non-autocratic figure?
Democracy is not just a switch you flip on or off. Iran has literally no cultural history of anything than autocracy. Monarch -> Shah -> Theocratic Dictator.
Its a very western view that Democracy is the pinnacle form of government. I dont think all cultures align that way.
"Shah" is actually an abbreviation for Persian "Shahanshah" ("King of kings"), the very same title Cyrus the Great claimed. But the Shah's government in the 20th century was actually quite successful in modernizing the country, fostering a robust middle class, securing women's rights and gradually reducing the oppressive power of Islamic clerics in education and the court system. This is ultimately why those very same clerics ultimately pushed for an "Islamic" revolution which undid the bulk of those gains.
> Its a very western view that Democracy is the pinnacle form of government.
Not only a Western view: South Korea made a very successful transition from an initially authoritarian government to a real liberal democracy, and a very similar story in Taiwan. But the key there is "liberal", as in "classical liberal": protection of foundational rights actually matters a whole lot more than whether people are physically able to vote for a candidate on an election ballot. The latter is generally useless without the former, but it does help make popular sovereignty more robust once the former is in place.
That’s skipping over more than 100 years of recent history. Iran started transitioning to a democratic form of government with establishment of parliament after constitutional revolution starting from 1905. Twice, foreign super powers meddled and help derail it.
Even if that's the case, you would assume they'd not ask back for the previous problematic iteration.
I do agree that democracy generally fails in the middle east or anywhere there is a sizable amount of people that do not believe in democracy.
However, the current Iranian system is autocratic but it works really hard to mask it to appear democratic, so obviously the appearance is important to them and presumably for the people
Iran was once democracy too, but in 1953, United States (CIA) and the United Kingdom (MI6) orchestrated a coup that overthrew Iran's democratically elected Prime Minister.
Mosaddegh had nationalized Iran's oil industry in 1951, which had been controlled by the British owned Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (now BP).
So in August 1953, the CIA and MI6 organized protests, bribed military officers and politicians, and spread propaganda to destabilize Mosaddegh's government.
Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, who had fled during the initial coup attempt, returned and ruled as an authoritarian monarch with strong US backing until the 1979 Iranian Revolution.
In 2013, the CIA released declassified documents confirming American involvement, and in 2000, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright acknowledged the US role, calling it a "setback for democratic government" in Iran.
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1. There isn't really a credible opposition figure for people to rally around. 2. It's a pretty young country. Most have never lived under the Shah.
I heard a recent underground poll taken before these protests showed about 1/3 support the Shah, 1/3 oppose him, and 1/3 are ambivalent. The government of Iran has silenced all of its internal opponents, and the Shah is the most well-known and most popular external opponent.
Even if they don't love him, a vast majority would prefer him over the Ayatollahs.
EDIT: Found the poll, last taken in 2024: https://gamaan.org/2025/08/20/analytical-report-on-iranians-... . The Shah is preferred by just 31%, but no one else even gets double-digits.
The shah has said publicly he wants to serve as a one year transitional leader followed by elections. Not sure what more one could ask for.
To believe that is … quite something
I don't think there is a possibility. A democracy that isn't in the US' interest (and now Russia's) descends into autocracy as a defense against interference. A Shah is a compromise that gives them acceptability to the superpowers and a better life than an opposing autocracy.
The old Shah is dead and the current guy seems pretty moderate and in favour of secular democracy.
Just gonna drop this, from dang a few days ago:
>we want most political stories to be flagged on HN, for a critical reason: if they weren't, then HN would turn into a current-affairs site, and that would not be HN at all.vorpalhex
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See all the instances of "we do not want most political stories":
Literally once in a lifetime chances for human rights in a regime that has hung several women for not covering their faces this year is a bit different then the latest CNN headline.
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Unfortunately many of these people revel in hypocrisy, and believe it makes them superior that they are willing to use it when others aren't. Nevertheless always worth pointing out!
Well it only took 4 hours but there's the flag.
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Sad how legitimate grievance is always weaponized and steered by bigger players.
Protesting the Iranian government is perfectly legitimate. Binding that with supporting a return of the equally brutal and corrupt shah is depressing.
That Shah died in 1980.
How was he equally brutal
What's considered a "large crowd" or a "small crowd"?
Given there are only three categories, I'd expect large to be on the order of hundreds of thousands, but I don't think that is the case here?
Millions
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg7y0579lp8o
This is very helpful, but it is sad that with the internet outages, it seems like there is definitely less data today
Obviously related. The protests are not organic. There are photos online of cash, and guns provided by Mossad. Iran is trying to get control by pulling the plug on the chaos.
Israel wants nothing more than another failed state filled with sectarian violence.
Ironically there have been much larger real protests in Israel. Zionism has become completely unstable. The good news is that means it's close to failing, the bad news is that it will become even more desperate and violent as it perishes.
The immediate flagging of any non-Zionist comment on this and the other Iran post is pretty wild. Mods can you please disable flags or at least do something about the clear manipulation happening here?
In any MENA related post I've just learned to use inverted ranking. Start at the bottom and go up. Might make a chrome extension to toggle that
They can flag it faster, does it help?
Protesting theocracies is a sacred duty for any self-respecting leftist. I rather have a monarchy than a theocracy, a dictatorship rather than a monarchy, an oligarchy rather than a dictatorship, and a democracy rather than an oligarchy.
That said: please also protest any inference from foreign power, whether they are an oligarchy, a dictatorship or another theocracy/ethno-state. If the current Syrian situation is believable, a revolution/coup from the base show better results than one supported by the US/Russia or local powers.
“If Iran shots and violently kills peaceful protesters, which is their custom, the United States of America will come to their rescue. We are locked and loaded and ready to go. Thank you for your attention to this matter!”
Be weary of taking this seriously. The Israelis are trying to drum up support for attacking Iran. It's pretty shameful that this is posted on HackerNews tbh.
John Cleese, JK Rowling, and Eric Weinstein are all flogging this on X, it's hilarious. They've got all their best old codgers on the case!
Not to mention genocidal venture capitalists like Shaun Macguire at Sequoia.
It would be cool to have protest maps in another politically unstable middle eastern country too.
What other middle eastern country is having protests? Haven't heard.
Israel, and of course you haven't heard since its our government's entire reason of being to protect that terrorist state.
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Not to detract from the content here but I do find it very telling that posts about domestic US issues (including protests) repeatedly get flagged on HN, including just today[1], but there are currently two posts about Iranian protests on the front page.
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46543457
I think this is because anyone who understands the Middle East knows that the fall of the Iranian regime would be more consequential than the fall of the Berlin Wall, not because the Islamic Republic is a global power, but because it has been a central tool for China and Russia and a major engine of terrorism in the Middle East.
Its collapse would rip out a core pillar of their influence and fundamentally change global power dynamics.
I understand the Middle East and know that Iran is our ally in the fight against Zionism. I also understand that these "protests" are inorganic and have failed in their attempt to inflict damage on Iran.
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Thanks for bringing this up, I'm just realizing the same now.
"HN is not a political forum" or "if you expect to see it on the news, it probably should not be on HN" is invoked all the time when there's a post about the US, but never when the story is about any other country.
You only see what's on the front page, not all the things that have been flagged off the front page.
Yes, it is very telling, indeed. Brings up nostalgic memories of Twitter, for me :(
If it's helpful to note, Twitter was always intended to become what it has become. We need to return to organizing our own networks free of this control.
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My friends stop communicating when they visit their home in Iran. They did this even when their data and water were flowing.
I'll take the current state of HN over every other forum on the internet.
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That’s not equivalent at all. And even if it was, that’s what downvoting is for, not flagging.
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> There's been a very aggressive push to trump up this story
> trump up
I see what you did there
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You nailed it, it's totally non-organic. There are massive protests in Israel (and the US!), yet small protests in Iran are being absolutely shoved down our throats on every single social media site in preparation for yet another unprovoked attack against Iran by Israel.
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Yes in America you can have your pick of Pepsi Agenda or Coke Agenda as long as you don't do something like organize protests in Ferguson, at which point you will be murdered in your car and your death reported on page 30 of the newspaper.
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This makes zero sense
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One aspect is that there has been little coverage by the media about these protests that have been going on for close to a couple of weeks and two, presumably the Iranian regular forces are repressing their protestors. People in the US are protesting against what the same organization, despite doing the same job under previous presidencies didn’t get protested as much if at all. If I recall correctly last year the current admin just beat the Obama admin on people deported in a single year.
> People in the US are protesting against what the same organization, despite doing the same job under previous presidencies
ICE, CBP, etc., and the other agencies that have been deployed in what this Administration calls an “immigration crackdown” or “mass deportation effort” or a number of other variations which emphasize that it is a new and more forceful policy, were not carrying out either what that campaign is publicly characterized as by the administration, or the campaign of domestic terrorism against the American population, including murdering citizens on the street, that it actually is, under previous presidencies.
> If I recall correctly last year the current admin just beat the Obama admin on people deported in a single year.
Aside from demonstrating that the purpose of the campaign is not efficiently increasing deportation of people actually illegally present in the United States (a point that critics of the policy have no problem at all agreeing with), I’m not sure what point you think that comparison makes.
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> People in the US are protesting against what the same organization, despite doing the same job under previous presidencies didn’t get protested as much if at all. If I recall correctly last year the current admin just beat the Obama admin on people deported in a single year.
This is not what people are protesting in the US, though it is a convenient talking point used by MAGA to dodge the issue of ICE deporting US citizens without due process, or straight up murdering them.
"The same organization" is missing the context of it being made the 2nd largest military on earth by the current admin.
obama deported way more if I recall recolec, its all about narratives tho
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What about all the ICE and school shootings, mass shooting maps for USA? That would be definitely helpful.
This post is example of American hypocrisy, double standards and propaganda.
If Iran does not have oil or natural resources these clowns do not even care.
I took this map as a positive (Iranians protesting their totalitarian theocracy). I wish there were a corresponding map for the US, of Americans protesting their dictatorship. Alas, I don't know of any large protests yet.
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They're actually not doing that, they're doing the opposite of that, calling to bring back the secular shah to replace their current Islamic theocracy.
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I’d call Israel our ally but you do you
I'd call Israel our #1 enemy and agree with the poster that this is an inorganic bit of vile propaganda.
Israel is not, and never has been our ally.
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OP (breppp) posts nothing but political content. Such accounts should be banned.
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Inshallah
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Why is a map of unrest in Iran equal to Israeli propaganda? I'd say the Iranian population has more agency than whatever Israeli institution you'd accuse of producing this site, let alone going out in the streets of Iranian cities to protest the current regime.
Well first of all a lot of these protest are pro Iranian government. Second, there are much bigger anti-government protests happening right now in Israel, but there's no state apparatus trying to bring attention to them (quite the opposite). An Israeli bus driver even drove over an murdered an anti-war protester. But most importantly, this is a coordinated effort to manufacture consent for Israel's next preemptive attack on Iran.
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You 5 days ago: “ You are still young so you don't seem to get it yet but history has shown that killing or capturing the leader of a country with outside actors rarely leads to anything good. It usually just leads to more instability.”
Iran is heading down instability no matter what.
The only involvement Israel or any nation should have here is arming or protecting the protesters. Anything beyond that would end in disaster. And by protecting protesters, I mean granting them asylum if they need it, not sending in troops.
The last thing we need is Israel or any other nation deciding they want to be the new rulers of Iran. That will work out just as well as the US's involvement in Afghanistan or Iraq.
The shah wants to ally with Israel - Google "Cyrus Accords". So there's no reason for Israel to do anything but support his return quietly.
While there is no doubt Israel would be glad to be rid of the current regime in Iran it is far more relevant that a large part of the Iranian population seems to want to get rid of the current regime. It is quite risky to partake in protests there but people do it anyway because they - as far as I can see rightly so - are done with their country being held back by the current regime.
Let's hope that any regime change in Iran happens with as little bloodshed as possible and that the new regime actually represents the population instead of only some powerful (domestic or foreign) faction. Khamenei seems to have prepared for a run to Russia [1] together with 20 members of his family so let him climb aboard that plane and leave sooner rather than later.
[1] https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601048903
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Wtf?
I can't decide who I despise more, the regime or the people cheerleading a revolution where a lot of innocent people will suffer
Inspired by the bravery of the Iranian people. Sad to see so little support and enthusiasm from the Qatar funded university student crowd.
This thread is insane. WTF is going on here?
This is what the kids are being spoon fed these days I guess. US = imperialism = bad. Else = good. So one dimensional. No empathy for the Iranian people who just want to be able to live with these same freedoms these kids don't even know they have. Pathetic
A disinformation campaign. Probably more than one, actually.
Yea, keep this coming. A 2014 coup in Ukraine worked wonderfully!