Less than half of Israelis are Askenazi, and unless your solution is to "ethnically cleanse" by sending people back to the countries their grandparents fled, it hardly matters.
Americans and Europeans have the false notion that Israeli Jews are predominantly European. They are not.
Most humans can legitimately claim ancestry to the Levant. It's the coast closest to the cradle of civilization.
There is absolutely evil happening in Gaza. But pretending this is black-and-white, from an ocean away, is just alienating. It turns what should be a broad political discussion into a niche issue.
Do you have an example? I've studied quite a bit of Hertzel and what I mainly remember repeated to us is "We shall never discriminate between one man and another; We shall never ask 'what is your religion?' nor 'what is your race?'. For us it is enough that he is a human being." and "My will to the People of Israel: create your country in such a way, that the non-Jew will feel good to be your neighbour".
In a diary entry from June 12, 1895, Herzl detailed his plan: "We shall try to spirit the penniless [Palestinian] population across the border by denying it any employment in our own country... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly".
I wonder why would you drop the middle out of the quote where he talks about finding for them employment in other countries ?
"We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country"
and what happened in reality, is that with arrival of Zionists area got economically developed and it resulted in migration of 100k-400k of arabs into mandatory territory in search of employment.
in your opinion, are they also not natives and should leave now ?
The Arab homeland is in Arabia, not Palestine. Palestine is a Roman creation after the destruction of Judea. It was named after a group of European invaders who conquered a small part of Israel 3000+ years ago.
Arabs aren't native to Palestine. Jews are. They were present in Palestine before the name Palestine was ever used.
Exactly. It's usually the Zionist sources themselves that are unabashedly genocidal and supportive of ethnic cleansing.
More recent example is Bari Weiss, who wrote in 2021:
"The results of this mess, as always, are especially bad for the Palestinians who live under Hamas rule. Casualty reports are hard to verify because Hamas controls the media (even the international press) inside the Gaza Strip, but it appears that more than 50 Palestinians have been killed. Some of these people are entirely innocent non-combatants, including children. This is an unspeakable tragedy. It is also one of the unavoidable burdens of political power, of Zionism's dream turned into the reality of self-determination."
So according to Bari Weiss, the mass slaughter of children is one of Zionism's political responsibilities of power.
> Jewish homeland is Poland, Russia, Germany
Jews have been in the Levant longer than they’ve been in Germany. (And in both for less time than they’ve been in America.)
The problem is with the notion of a homeland. Whose ancestors had what claim to something shouldn’t have bearing on how people are treated today.
Ashkenazis are Europeans.
Less than half of Israelis are Askenazi, and unless your solution is to "ethnically cleanse" by sending people back to the countries their grandparents fled, it hardly matters.
Americans and Europeans have the false notion that Israeli Jews are predominantly European. They are not.
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> Ashkenazis are Europeans
Okay? So are most American Jews.
Most humans can legitimately claim ancestry to the Levant. It's the coast closest to the cradle of civilization.
There is absolutely evil happening in Gaza. But pretending this is black-and-white, from an ocean away, is just alienating. It turns what should be a broad political discussion into a niche issue.
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Do you have an example? I've studied quite a bit of Hertzel and what I mainly remember repeated to us is "We shall never discriminate between one man and another; We shall never ask 'what is your religion?' nor 'what is your race?'. For us it is enough that he is a human being." and "My will to the People of Israel: create your country in such a way, that the non-Jew will feel good to be your neighbour".
Sure:
In a diary entry from June 12, 1895, Herzl detailed his plan: "We shall try to spirit the penniless [Palestinian] population across the border by denying it any employment in our own country... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly".
I wonder why would you drop the middle out of the quote where he talks about finding for them employment in other countries ?
"We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country"
and what happened in reality, is that with arrival of Zionists area got economically developed and it resulted in migration of 100k-400k of arabs into mandatory territory in search of employment.
in your opinion, are they also not natives and should leave now ?
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The Arab homeland is in Arabia, not Palestine. Palestine is a Roman creation after the destruction of Judea. It was named after a group of European invaders who conquered a small part of Israel 3000+ years ago.
Arabs aren't native to Palestine. Jews are. They were present in Palestine before the name Palestine was ever used.
Palestinians are native to Palestine. Judea and Arabia do not exist.
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Exactly. It's usually the Zionist sources themselves that are unabashedly genocidal and supportive of ethnic cleansing.
More recent example is Bari Weiss, who wrote in 2021:
"The results of this mess, as always, are especially bad for the Palestinians who live under Hamas rule. Casualty reports are hard to verify because Hamas controls the media (even the international press) inside the Gaza Strip, but it appears that more than 50 Palestinians have been killed. Some of these people are entirely innocent non-combatants, including children. This is an unspeakable tragedy. It is also one of the unavoidable burdens of political power, of Zionism's dream turned into the reality of self-determination."
So according to Bari Weiss, the mass slaughter of children is one of Zionism's political responsibilities of power.