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Comment by jeanlou

1 day ago

It's funny how when talking about Israël's wrongdoings, everything is just "allegedly". Facts already confirms genocide, but hey, they don't want to land in hot water.

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  • Likud government and charter explicitly calls for all land between the river and the sea to be for Jews.

    • That is a territorial/sovereignty claim (i.e., rejecting Palestinian sovereignty/statehood in that space). It is not an explicit call to kill, expel, or physically destroy Palestinians, nor does it literally say “for Jews only.”

      Under the Genocide Convention, genocide requires specific intent (“intent to destroy, in whole or in part”) a protected group, plus one of the listed genocidal acts (killing; causing serious harm; inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about physical destruction; preventing births; forcibly transferring children).

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  • The Hamas charter indicates that they would accept a two-state solution with 1967 borders.

    This is not something the state of Israel will accept and is quite blatant in declaring that they would prefer to keep up the genocide.

    • In the 2017 Charter, Hamas states its claims, such as making Jerusalem its capital. However, nowhere in the charter does Hamas state that it will recognise Israel. In fact the document explicitly rejects recognition of Israel and aims for “liberation of all of Palestine”

      Note also that Hamas never repealed their 1988 charter that called for the annihilation of Israel and contains openly antisemitic language.

      For a two-state solution to work, Hamas will need to recognise Israel's right to co-exist alongside a Palestine state. And Hamas will need to stop killing innocent Israeli citizens.

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  • > The Hamas Charter explicitly called for the “annihilation” of the Jewish state.

    See, this is what grinds my effing gears. On one hand you have a party "calling" for the "annihilation" of Israel. On the other hand, you have a part who is calling for the annihilation of palestinians AND they are ACTIVELY doing it. But no, you have to draw an equivalence somehow ...

    • > you have a part who is calling for the annihilation of palestinians

      No you don't.

      You have a democratically elected government aiming for the dismantling of Hamas.

      Hamas is the proscribed terror organisation that is currently leading Gaza.

      Israel is not calling for the annihilation of Palestinians.

      The death of Palestinians is entirely the fault of Hamas, whose blatent and attrocious terrorism led Israel with no choice other than to respond with force and defend Israeli citizens from the further attrocities that Hamas have promised.