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Comment by internet_points

1 day ago

well, it's not a high bar – these days anyone who says "I support Palestine Action" or "she was murdered by ICE" is called a terrorist sympathizer

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flumpcakes  1 day ago

> these days anyone who says "I support Palestine Action"

They have a video of people from this group attacking police with sledgehammers. It is strange how much of this 'direction action' is harming Ukraine support and not Israel. If people wanted to support Palestine they can do it without attacking their own countries' military - which is not operating in Israel at all.

> "she was murdered by ICE"

They have a video of her being shot, pretty much needlessly. I'd say that should be manslaughter at a minimum.

  • gghhzzgghhzz  21 hours ago

    "They have a video of people from this group attacking police with sledgehammers"

    Do you have the name or names of the person accused of 'attacking police with sledgehammers'?

    I've heard a lot about this, but it's difficult to get to actual sources about exactly what is alleged.

    Even if this did happen as you say. attachking police with sledgehammers is assault, potentially even attempted murder. There's plenty of laws for that.

    It's not terrorism.

    • amiga386  19 hours ago

      > Do you have the name or names of the person accused of 'attacking police with sledgehammers'?

      You should be less flippant.

      The accused's name is Samuel Corner. He and his friends are still on trial for their actions.

      Here's the bodycam footage where you see Samuel Corner attack police seargent Kate Evans with a sledgehammer while she was on the ground, fracturing her spine. Watch from 3m05s to 3m10s:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6P7p_5D4hw

      The police seargent is now disabled:

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g54g1r15eo

      > It's not terrorism.

      The group's stated aim is to stop the UK or any UK companies giving Israel any military support. They target companies who they think supply Israel. They break in and smash them, and as you've hopefully just seen with your own eyes, they are not afraid to attack people with sledgehammers. They use violence to achieve their political aim. They are terrorists and belong in prison.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1dzq41n4l9o

      > Samuel Corner, 23, [...] Oxford University graduate from Devon [...] when asked why he struck Sgt Evans with the sledgehammer, he replied: "It was me not really knowing what I was doing

      Thanks Samuel. That Oxford degree really shows, doesn't it?

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  • philipwhiuk  1 day ago

    > It is strange how much of this 'direction action' is harming Ukraine support

    How is direct action on Palestine impacting Ukraine support? (We are also not intervening in Ukraine)

    • flumpcakes  1 day ago

      > (We are also not intervening in Ukraine)

      Not direct intervention; but we fly sorties, provide intelligence, ship military equipment, build systems for... None of which we provide Israel for their current war.

      It's just odd to me that Israel draws so much Ire when the UK deals with all sorts. There are many worse things happening that doesn't get a second of airtime.

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    • temp8830  18 hours ago

      > We are also not intervening in Ukraine

      Hahhahaha. Hahaha. Ha.

      The cost of this non-intervention is now at almost $200B, is it not? I guess this money went to elves?

reliabilityguy  20 hours ago

> these days anyone who says "I support Palestine Action"

You mean the group that sneaked in and damaged a bunch of UK Military’s planes on a military base? Was this the action that put them into the terrorist category?

  • avianlyric  19 hours ago

    Not quite in the same league as IS, Al-Qaeda etc etc. Used to be a organisation had to murder and terrorise an entire population, or fly planes into city centres.

    Apparently our standards have dropped so low that spray painting a couple of planes and embarrassing the UK military now puts you on par with those other organisations.

  • ikamm  19 hours ago

    "Damaged a bunch of UK Military's planes" == spray painted two planes

    • veeti  13 hours ago

      Spray painting a jet engine causes millions in damages, but it's a cute sleight of hand to insinuate it's just some graffiti on a wall or something.

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  • amiga386  19 hours ago

    Yes. They're a bunch of violent criminals. But that's not the point.

    There are lots of violent criminals who harm businesses and injure, or even kill people. They should be prosecuted and imprisoned. It's not illegal to say "I support <name of criminal or criminal gang>", even if people strongly disagree with you.

    However, by showing they could break into an RAF base and spraypaint the planes - that says to me that the RAF are completely shit at their job, how can they protect their base from Russians if they can't even keep out local criminals - embarrassed the Government, and the government retaliated by making it illegal to say you support them.

    Say it out loud? Criminal. Wear a t-shirt? Criminal. Hold a placard? Criminal.

    Might as well just hold up blank sheets of paper and wait for the police to arrest you because they know what you want to write on them, like they do in Russia.

    To me, that's a free speech issue. What an affront to free speech it is. Saying you support criminal scumbags should not be a crime. You should be able to say you support a bunch of violent yahoos, to whoever will listen to you, and I should be able to laugh at you and call you a simpleton for your idiot beliefs.

    • kolektiv  19 hours ago

      I'm not sure they've been shown to be violent (unless you consider damage to property as violence- I know some do, but personally my "things are just things" stance limits violence to actions which impact people, who matter.

      Broadly speaking though, I agree. What they did was criminal damage, undoubtedly, I have no problem arresting and prosecuting people for that. But I don't believe that it's terrorism, nor that it would have been so unpopular had it not been bloody embarrassing for the armed forces. Honestly, bolt cutters and some paint should not be grounding some of your air defence.

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  • giraffe_lady  19 hours ago

    Damaging military equipment is the farthest thing from terrorism. That's literally the one thing that can never be terrorism.

  • davedx  16 hours ago

    If your standard for designating someone a terrorist is "they did something quite naughty" - go at it.

lingrush4  14 hours ago

Why are you surprised that people who sympathize with terrorists are called terrorists sympathizers?

Roughly 75% of Palestinians support terrorism (the number changes with every survey but it's consistently over 50%).

The lady in Minneapolis was using her car as a weapon to impede law enforcement operations. That's not really terrorism; insurrection would be a more accurate description. But she certainly wasn't a good person deserving of any sympathy.

  • margalabargala  14 hours ago

    > The lady in Minneapolis was using her car as a weapon to impede law enforcement operations.

    A hysterical take like this isn't really credible. "Obstruction", sure, but calling a stopped vehicle a "weapon" because it's slightly in the way defies the English language to the point where you damage your own credibility.

    It would be equivalent to call this comment a "weapon" I'm using to impede you announcing your opinion unopposed.

    She's absolutely deserving of sympathy; she was killed unjustly. We don't have a law on the books allowing capital punishment for parking a vehicle somewhere law enforcement finds it inconvenient. Just because you happen not to agree with her actions at the time, illegal or no, doesn't imply "and therefore she deserved death". I suggest you consider the consequences to your own self of people applying your own logic to you, and how long you would last if this was the general state of affairs.