Comment by cess11
1 day ago
No, they reject zionism:
"20. Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus."
Which is a very reasonable position, since it is a movement predicated on genocidal violence and the crime of apartheid. If the state of Israel were to reform or through revolution become democratic and stop its incessant aggression towards both neighbours and more distant countries, I'm sure Hamas would "recognise Israel".
But as I said, this is not an acceptable alternative to the jewish israeli mainstream, nor the zionist movement generally.
The palestinians are actually pretty good at not killing "innocent[s]". Much better than the israelis, who have made sport, commerce and dating out of humiliation and terror perpetrated against palestinians.
You claim Israel needs to “become democratic” and is an “apartheid” state despite the fact Israel is a functioning pluralist democracy that comprises both Jews and Arabs (unlike Gaza, which expelled Jews and is led by terrorists).
By the “Zionist entity,” Hamas are describing Israel.
I don’t think you’re ignorant. I think you’re wilfully turning a blind eye to just how hypocritical Hamas are in their criticism of Israel.
No, it is not a democracy. Apartheid states are not democracies, and Israel is not pluralistic, it is fiercely supremacist. And, as it happens, led by at least one convicted terrorist.
It wasn't Hamas that "expelled the Jews" in 2005, it was Israel that dismantled its illegal settlements.
Right, by the zionist entity Hamas is describing Israel today, but leaves it open whether it might still be a genocidal settler state in the future.
I'm not so sure Hamas criticises Israel. Do you have something in particular in mind? From my perspective they try to resist the occupation and genocidal policies. To the extent that they publish criticism it is usually aimed at international institutions and countries enabling Israel that claim to value international law and human rights but clearly do so in a severely racist and bigoted way.
> No, it is not a democracy.
Israel is a parliamentary democracy with a multi-party system, independent judiciary, elections and civil liberty.
If you believe otherwise, you must be knee-deep in Hamas propaganda, as many Western leftists seem to be.
> It wasn't Hamas that "expelled the Jews" in 2005, it was Israel that dismantled its illegal settlements.
So Hamas made it illegal for Jews to live in Gaza? Sounds like an apartheid state to me...
Meanwhile 21% of Israeli citizens are Arab.
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