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Comment by DonnyV

2 days ago

Its almost like we should just publicly fund it from the tax people already pay.

It fact you absolutely shouldn't as this put them in huge conflict of interest.

how will you investigate corruption if your funding can be cut?

  • The same argument applies to ad-sponsored media too. In fact, have you noticed that it was a very long time since a major paper did an exposé of the very sleazy online casino business? I wonder why.

  • >? how will you investigate corruption if your funding can be cut?

    Don't make it possible for the current administration to cut the funding of the public media? Plenty of examples out there in the world where those currently in power can't just cut funding to major institutions, I think that's the norm rather than the exception in fact.

    • >Don't make it possible for the current administration to cut the funding of the public media?

      Surely laws are immutable system and cannot be changed ever. It is always perfectly designed without loopholes, and especially so when ones who design the system could benefit from them.

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I bet we could come up with a list of things we don't like about adtech, tax those behaviors, and give the proceeds to their local competitors.

That's a radical idea! Unfortunately, it gives a lot of ammo to the "anti-socialist" people who are vehemently against anything "public" funded by tax payers. Look at what's happening in the Nordics for example, where pretty much everyone supported public radio/TV at least when I was growing up, but nowadays a bunch of political parties are trying to have it removed/reduced.

  • Nordic public broadcasting is some of the lowest quality news media you can find. They're not a good example, unless the job of public service media is to only support one or two political parties at all cost (you know which ones).

    Edit: Just an example. The funniest thing they've been doing regularly for decades now is when they go out on the streets with a camera to ask random strangers - the common man - about what they think about some recent development, like "What do you think about Trump?".

    But the "random stranger" common man on the street is actually a politician from the journalist's own party who has dressed up and showed up on a pre-agreed place and time.

    • > Nordic public broadcasting is some of the lowest quality news media you can find.

      Compared to what? Have you seen what qualifies as "news" in other parts of the world?

      > media is to only support one or two political parties at all cost

      I've seen news on Swedish public media that disparages all sides of the political spectrum, exactly what I expect from public media not taking sides.

      > But the "random stranger" common man on the street is actually a politician from the journalist's own party who has dressed up and showed up on a pre-agreed place and time.

      Cherry-picking in journalism has absolutely nothing to do with public media or not, and I'm not sure why you're bringing it up here.

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  • There's also issues when the watched are funding the watches. If the council funds the newspaper, then the newspaper reports badly on the council, then the council can reducing funding for the newspaper.

    You need it to be independent, so how can you fund it. Perhaps a separate precept on the council tax bill which is set separately (say by national government)

    The BBC funding model attempts to do this at a national level, but of course nowadays that's not sustainable - part of the failure of the old civic minded establishment in favour of the new edgy profit minded establishment