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Comment by goku12

13 hours ago

This is exactly the cynical, dismissive and defeatist take that I was talking about. Yet, we have numerous examples of this dismissal being wrong. Right now, free software is something we take for granted. But you have no idea what sort of great achievement it was for the early pioneers. Microsoft even used to call it evil.

> We can solve the climate emergency if the consumers unite and stop living the way they live

This is wrong in two ways. The first is that it is a strawman. The consumers are the biggest emitters. The big corporations, militaries and billionaires are. Second, we did solve a related problem with market pressure - the stratospheric ozone depletion and the ozone hole.

Again as I said before, it's easy to call it naive or scoff at it any number of ways. But people have achieved much harder goals. And that takes a lot of skill and effort.

> Second, we did solve a related problem with market pressure - the stratospheric ozone depletion and the ozone hole.

If you think that the ozone problem was remotely of the same level of difficulty as climate change, then you don't understand the problem.

> But people have achieved much harder goals.

There is no much harder goal than surviving on Earth, and we are measurably not only completely failing, but we keep accelerating in the wrong direction! We are making it worse, faster everyday.