Comment by goku12
2 days ago
This is exactly the cynical, dismissive and defeatist take that I was talking about. Yet, we have numerous examples of this dismissal being wrong. Right now, free software is something we take for granted. But you have no idea what sort of great achievement it was for the early pioneers. Microsoft even used to call it evil.
> We can solve the climate emergency if the consumers unite and stop living the way they live
This is wrong in two ways. The first is that it is a strawman. The consumers are the biggest emitters. The big corporations, militaries and billionaires are. Second, we did solve a related problem with market pressure - the stratospheric ozone depletion and the ozone hole.
Again as I said before, it's easy to call it naive or scoff at it any number of ways. But people have achieved much harder goals. And that takes a lot of skill and effort.
> Second, we did solve a related problem with market pressure - the stratospheric ozone depletion and the ozone hole.
If you think that the ozone problem was remotely of the same level of difficulty as climate change, then you don't understand the problem.
> But people have achieved much harder goals.
There is no much harder goal than surviving on Earth, and we are measurably not only completely failing, but we keep accelerating in the wrong direction! We are making it worse, faster everyday.
> If you think that the ozone problem was remotely of the same level of difficulty as climate change, then you don't understand the problem.
Ozone depletion too was a global problem that needed international coordination to solve. But the reason why it was solved while the climate change crisis wasn't, isn't the 'level of difficulty' you're referring to. It's the perverse economic incentives behind the centralized fossil fuel trade. Unlike ozone depltion, climate change issue was known at least as early as 1892. We had more than enough time to find and implement the solutions. But even today when we have viable long term solutions, the pervesion of global politics against them is splendidly evident. We really could have solved the climate change crisis if we wanted to.
That's why I always emphasize shifting the market dynamics - the supply and demand balance. That's the only way we can overcome those perverse incentives. But people simply refuse to connect the dots that deep, instead preferring to insult those who do. And the reason is simple. It will break the comfort bubble that you're in, if you have to take some responsibility to solve it.
> There is no much harder goal than surviving on Earth, and we are measurably not only completely failing, but we keep accelerating in the wrong direction! We are making it worse, faster everyday.
If only there was/were some solution(s) for that.... Oh! Wait!
We have 3 problems that are the consequence of abundant fossil energy:
1. Biodiversity loss. We are measurably living in a mass extinction that is happening orders of magnitude faster than the famous one of the dinosaurs. It is due to what humans do when they have abundant energy. If we all had a nuclear reactor in our pocket, we would still be destroying the biodiversity, so it's not just a fossil energy problem.
2. Climate change. It's only the beginning, and the cause of it is the CO2 we release by burning fossil fuels. Society as we know it depends on abundant energy, and 80% of the energy we use is fossil. The solution to climate change is degrowth, but nobody wants to accept it.
3. Energy abundance. Energy became abundant thanks to fossil fuels, and those are not unlimited. Conventional peak oil was in 2008, and Europe's economy has been slowing down since then (though Americans like to think that it's slowing down because the Europeans are lazy). Eventually (soon), the global economy will slow down because of that. Which will bring global instability (even though now doesn't sound like the most stable it has ever been).
The only solution we have to those is that we need to stop living the way we live, and we need to do it fast. It's already too late so it will hurt, but the faster we react, the lesser it will hurt.
The reality is too bad for most of us to accept it, and by not accepting it we make it even worse. We're pretty much screwed. There is a business to make on "not being defeatist" and offering "solutions" for a "sustainable growth", but that's just business, that won't save us.