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Comment by shrubble

10 days ago

A person who believes the above examples should try to find the videos or other details of each case in order to be sure they are being told the truth.

Assuming that the “carried the woman through the street” is the same case as the video I watched, she was clearly deliberately obstructing traffic, as she wasn’t continuing to drive down the street despite the road being clear with no vehicles ahead of her. She then is removed from the car by force and refuses to move, requiring her to be carried.

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andrewvc  10 days ago

I’m here in the ground, I’ve seen them detain people for no cause. Masked agents grabbing guys out of a Home Depot parking lot and throwing them in a van only to drop them off later after scaring them. No charges.

Maybe you’ll be lucky enough to get picked up so you can get your proof.

  • shrubble  10 days ago

    How much of the situation were you actually able to know? Were you privy to the entire conversation?

    • datsci_est_2015  10 days ago

      The amount of credulity you’re exhibiting is incredible given the tidal wave of evidence that there’s a highly politicized, highly funded paramilitary organization of the government that has to date not been publicly held accountable for any of its actions that clearly violate the rights and safety of even the lawful residents of the United States.

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watwut  10 days ago

> she was clearly deliberately obstructing traffic,

You are lying. She waited for the pedestrian to cross.

Also, obstructing traffic is not valid reason to be violent against someone. ICE or cops being violent in that situation is them abusing their power big time. So, again, we are back to Brownshirts comparison.

  • shrubble  10 days ago

    Please post a link to the video you viewed.

    That way we can be sure that we’re discussing the same thing.

  • zahlman  9 days ago

    > She waited for the pedestrian to cross.

    This does not in any way contradict "she was clearly deliberately obstructing traffic". There was a very long period in the video where there was clearly no obstruction to her driving down an empty street and multiple officers were repeatedly telling her to do so, and cars behind her were obstructed for no reason.

    > Also, obstructing traffic is not valid reason to be violent against someone.

    This is a complete strawman.

    > ICE or cops being violent in that situation is them abusing their power big time.

    ICE are cops. "She then is removed from the car by force and refuses to move, requiring her to be carried" is normal; if you are under arrest and you do not comply with the arrest, LEO are legally entitled to use the force required to enact the arrest. In this case, she had to be removed from the car because she tried to lock herself in the car, and she had to be carried because she refused to move along. That's just how arrests work.

    To the extent that any of that can be called "violent", it is not a consequence of obstructing traffic. It is a consequence of resisting arrest.

  • newfriend  10 days ago

    Obstructing justice, and then refusing to comply / resisting arrest will lead to you being forcefully removed. This is in fact a valid reason.

zahlman  9 days ago

It's bizarre to me that your comment was flagged and killed (here's a vouch). You see what you see in the video. There is nothing about your comment that violates HN guidelines. On the other hand, rhetoric about "lying" and "fascist assholes" is clearly not in the spirit of constructive dialog.

Other people here seem to think that "obstructing" something entails making it impossible to get around. That is just... not how that language ordinarily works. They also misrepresent your argument, skipping all the steps in between, as if you were asserting that people are being shot directly as a punishment for obstructing traffic. That's clearly not what anyone is saying or justifying, including the officers themselves.