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Comment by komali2

18 hours ago

If this is quite widespread, it should be fairly straightforward to point to an example of a page that's being defaced with misinformation, which would include an edit history and perhaps a Talk page documenting whatever sides to the debate there is that's preventing consensus.

I don't disagree that weird bullshit occasionally happens on Wikipedia, but I have noticed that as soon as light is cast on it, it usually evaporates and a return to factual normality is established.

My go-to example is the "Constitution" of Medina[1]

> It is widely considered to be one of the first written constitutions of mankind.

Now go to the page on constitutions in history[2] and see how far down the list that one is.

Now go back to the Constitution of Medina (itself an example of misinformation, since it should be charter or even more precisely, treaty, but those protecting the page have meddled with the title too) and look at the reference it uses[3] and what it says to get a feel for the kind of "reference" that is being used there, and then try and update said Wikipedia page by removing the parts about its being the first.

The talk pages of both show that invested groups have been trying to force their views, and they've done it quite successfully.

Let us all know how you get on with that, and then I'll point you to the next example, and the next example…

Some other notable things to check are co-founder Larry Sanger's 9 theses[4], and the news that broke yesterday about a PR firm doing "Wikilaundering"[5].

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Medina

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution#History_and_devel...

[3] https://journalijcar.org/issues/first-written-constitution-w...

[4] https://larrysanger.org/nine-theses/#1-end-decision-making-b...

[5] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/16/pr-firm-p...