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Comment by elzbardico

14 hours ago

If the marginal value of electricity is negative, what matters if it is energy inefficient?

Scale/quantity.

That ‘negative value’ electricity could also be used to do something else. And actually requires a lot of capital to produce. It isn’t actually free, it’s a side effect of another process that has restraints/restrictions.

  • When the price of a thing is negative, the entity facing the negative price is being paid to consume it.

    We don't have enough automatic integration yet to make it happen, but: Residentially, that'd be a great time to charge millions of EVs and raise the temperature of water heaters. It'd be perfect for getting a head start on heating the glass kiln for Monday morning, or to supplement the used railroad ties and other fuels that might be feeding a lime kiln.

    It's pretty easy to think of loads that feature scale and/or quantity, and the ability to switch on and off rather quickly. Even if the negative price event only lasts for an hour. (Even if it only lasts 5 minutes.)

  • It has a negative price precisely because at that given moment, nobody can use it for anything else.

    • Yes…. And capital costs to capture that ‘moment’ productively are likely not in favor, if this situation exists long term.

      For example, Free power for an hour is useless if someone is running an aluminum refinery, because you can’t just start and stop it; and it costs so much capital to make that only operating 1 hour out of 24 is not economic.

      And that is for a situation where electrical power costs are one of the most dominant costs!