Comment by whstl

I don’t think people invested in Scrum believe it’s “temporary” or ever marketed it as such.

And agile teams are supposed to be self-managed but there’s nothing saying there should be no engineering managers. It sounds counter intuitive, but agile is about autonomy and lack of micro-management, not lack of leadership.

If anything, the one thing those two things reject are “product managers” in lieu of “product owners”.