Comment by timschmidt
2 hours ago
> What I'm saying is that the boundary between where you use a 'systems programming language' and where you use an 'application programming language' is artificial
Well, everything humans have ever created is artificial, so I'm not sure even how to parse this sentence. There are objectively tasks which can be accomplished with systems languages which cannot be with others. That is an indisputable fact, and not determined by anything but the language specification and implementation.
> we are using too much of the former in a place where we probably should be using the latter
If I loosen this sentence to mean that we should write more code in languages which have the familiar properties of applications languages - memory and thread safety, low boilerplate, helpful tooling, reduced cognitive load - then I can agree with it.
Where that code needs speed, uninterrupted control of execution, to be embedded, target wasm, or might want to do any of those things in the future, I think Rust is an excellent choice which provides many of those benefits.
I'd rather not have runtimes sneaking into low level performance critical areas like kernels and drivers. But some folks are into that sort of thing - Microsoft famously worked on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singularity_%28operating_syste... in C# but then again C# has very similar memory semantics to Rust. Microkernels seem to work well enough, with several extant examples. Anyway, you do you! I look forward to ogling your OS project from the sidelines.
You've now spent 12 (more?) comments in a thread about a language that isn't rust talking about rust. On top of that there are multiple bad takes, strawmen, purposeful misunderstandings and a whole heap of text that has zero bearing to the topic at hand. I'm going to mute your account now because I'd much rather read about the actual topic than the one that you seem to want to drag in here. If you ever wonder why people get a bit tired of Rust advocates, this is why.
All replies to a parent comment about Rust which wasn't mine, and which you're responding under too. Heaven forbid folks converse freely.
> If you ever wonder why people get a bit tired of Rust advocates, this is why.
I'm no advocate. Just a developer who's worked in the languages being discussed, who is happy to talk about them.
Have fun! Toodles!