Comment by jasonlotito

> I think there are effectively universal moral standards, which essentially nobody disagrees with.

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> I don't think you are using "torture" in the same sense as I am.

Just throwing this out here, you haven't even established "Universal Moral Standards", not to mention needing it to do that across all of human history. And we haven't even addressed the "nobody disagrees with" issue you haven't even addressed.

I for one can easily look back on the past 100 years and see why "universal moral standards, which essentially nobody disagrees with" is a bad argument to make.