Comment by WarmWash
1 day ago
The Chinese labs distill the SOTA models to boost the performance of theirs. They are a trailer hooked up (with a 3-6 month long chain) to the trucks pushing the technology forwards. I've yet to see a trailer overtake it's truck.
China would need an architectural breakthrough to leap American labs given the huge compute disparity.
I have seen indeed a trailer overtake its truck. Not a beautiful view.
Agreed. I do think the metaphor still holds though.
A financial jackknifing of the AI industry seems to be one very plausible outcome as these promises/expectations of the AI companies starts meeting reality.
Care to explain how the volume of AI research papers authored by Chinese researchers[1] has exceeded US-published ones? Time-traveling plagiarism perhaps, since you believe the US is destined to lead always.
1. Chinese researcher in China, to be more specific.
Not a great metric, research in academia doesn't necessarily translate to value. In the US they've poached so many academics because of how much value they directly translate to.
I don't doubt China wouldn't be capable of making SOTA models, however they are very heavily compute constrained. So they are forced to shortcut compute by riding the coattails of compute heavy models.
They need a training-multiplier breakthrough that would allow them to train SOTA models on on a fraction of the compute that the US does. And this would also have to be kept a secret and be well hidden (often multiple researchers from around the world put the pieces together on a problem at around the same time, so the breakthrough would have to be something pretty difficult to discover for the greatest minds in the field) to prevent the US from using it to multiply their model strength with their greater compute.
Volume is easy: they have far more people, it is quality that counts.
Yeah, and if anything it's US defying massive disadvantage in headcount is what is odd, not the other way around.
Perhaps you should pay attention to where the puck is going to be, rather than where it is currently. Lots of original ideas are coming out of Chinese AI research[1], denying this betrays some level of cope.
1. e.g. select any DeepSeek release, and read the accompanying paper
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No all they need is time. I am awaiting the dowfall of the ai hegemony and hype with popcorn at hand.
I would be happy with an openweight 3 month old Claude
DeepSeek 3.2 is frankly fairly close to that. GLM 4.7 as well. They're basically around Sonnet 4 level.
can you point me at another free voice cloning / tts model with this fidelity and, i guess prompt adherence?
because i've been on youtube and insta, and believe me, no one else even compares, yet.