Comment by bflesch
1 day ago
Stripe has for years helped non-EU companies to do tax fraud in the EU, and in a just world their management would be charged.
Every time a customer in the EU pays with Stripe, they exactly know if they are a private customer or not and in which country that customer is located in. Stripe also knows who the counterparty is ("their merchant").
Yet Stripe systematically enabled their merchants to avoid paying appropriate VAT for sales to private customers in the EU. The merchants would send you a "receipt" and then go dark, no proper invoice provided and no appropriate VAT payments to the EU made.
Their merchants could write fantasy names on the invoices, Stripe would not check or correct anything. They simply ignored the whole Mini-One-Stop-Shop in terms of VAT.
That's the "benefit" of using Stripe, they had very happy merchants who didn't need to pay taxes when selling digital products to EU customers.
I had to light a very big fire under their ass for them to provide proper invoices. I have zero indication they systematically remediated the tax fraud situation and actually paid the EU the VAT that Stripe merchants owe if you'd look into Stripe's accounting.
Stripe never claimed to handle tax however. Merchants have to handle tax on their own. This is no different than accepting cash or using a card terminal in your shop. The payment processor does not handle your tax for you.
There is no credit card terminal in the whole EU which is not tied to a point-of-sale system, which only purpose is to create INVOICES. Somehow the Stripe team forgot that fact.
I find your critique not very sensible. Point-of-sale systems are not necessarily tied to the payment terminal just because they communicate to each other. If companies choose to use Stripe they do have to set up their own invoicing and tax handling. Your comment makes it sound like Stripe hides this fact and thus users end up not handling tax or invoices because they were mislead. But if you run any kind of businesses being on top of taxes is obviously paramount. I don’t quite get your gripe here.
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Why do you think that payment processors are obligated to intercept VAT? They're not.
Ignorance is bliss I guess? Unfortunately in civilized non-US countries we have a thing called accounting and if you spend money with the company credit card there is someone called "accountant" who wants to see the invoice.
And Stripe is OBLIGATED to tell me at least who is the damn COUNTERPARTY to my transaction. Company name, company registration number, company country of residence. Ideally with address. And - wow - now we have everything to actually legally follow up with the merchant to get a proper invoice from them.
But Stripe is actively obscuring this information, and making it hard for users to find out. Many of the Stripe merchants don't even have an imprint on their website.
You ask why they hide the information? Because otherwise it would be clear even to ignorant people like you that in fact a VAT needs to be paid on that transaction.
How is this any different to US users? Do you think stripe is correctly remitting US sales and county taxes?
The obligation has always been on the company making the sale not the processor.
> Do you think stripe is correctly remitting US sales and county taxes?
You tell me. Would the same people who help evade tax payments in the EU really do the same in the US? That's unbelievable! /s
> The obligation has always been on the company making the sale not the processor.
That's incorrect. At minimum, the processor needs to tell me exactly who the money goes to, so I can reach out to them.
And that's a "legal reach out" kind of information including company name, company type, company registration number, and company country of incorporation.
Stripe makes it easy for merchants to obscure that information and is actively hiding it from the customers who paid the merchant.
Stripe aren't a MoR for most customers. This comment makes no sense.
Taxation is theft
That's incorrect way of typing "tax fraud by US tech companies is theft from European citizens".