Comment by hinkley
10 hours ago
Meh.
I decided shortly after becoming an atheist that one of the worst parts was the notion that there are magic words that can force one to feel certain things and I found that to be the same sort of thinking as saying that a woman’s short skirt “made” you attack her.
You’re a fucking adult, you can control your emotions around a little skin or a bad word.
The question is, is it just a word, or is there an emotion underneath? Your last sentence sounds "just" cynical / condescending on its own, but when you add "fucking", it comes across like you're actually angry. And emotional language is the easiest way to make an online discussion go from reasonable, rational and constructive to a digital shouting match. It's no longer about the subject matter, it's about how they make someone feel.
I can describe to you how we would murder someone and it’s down to intent whether we just conspired to commit murder or whether it’s just the sort of conversation a forensics investigator would have.
You should feel creeped out if I actually sound like a psychopath rather than a true crimes reader.
To wit:
You’re a fucking idiot.
Versus
It’s a fucking word.
Versus
You’re an idiot.
Versus
It’s a word.
“You’re an idiot” is still fighting words with or without the swear. If you automatically assume everyone swearing online is angry then you’re letting magic words affect you.
Yeah kind of ironic to make a comment about controlling your emotions while cursing at a stranger because you disagreed with their reasonable perspective.
You are assuming that hinkley intended to control their emotions and that cursing wasn't just a rhetorical thing in this instance.
There clearly is a link between words and emotions. But this link - and even more so the link between emotions and actions - is very complex.
Too many fears are based on the assumption of a rather more reductionist and mechanistic sort of link where no one has any control over anything. That's not realistic and our legal system contradicts this assumption.
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I agree with you completely, but society will never stop being scared of thoughts and feelings.
As an atheist, I have noticed that atheists are only slightly less prone to this paranoia and will happily resort to science and technology to justify and enforce ever tighter restrictions and surveillance mechanisms to keep control.
Arguably, to the point of religious fervor. Take the AI boom, some people genuinely believe (<- note that key word) that AI becoming self-aware and dominant is inevitable, and that anyone who did not do their best to make that happen will be punished. Roko's Basilisk, which is the digital version of Pascal's Wager, but wrapped in supposed rationalism and tech bro stuff.
No I definitely saw that. My first job was right into a “fad” that actually took but there were many after that didn’t, and a mentor had told me about the hype cycle practically before the term had been invented, because he’d already scene it.
The alternative though is you say “it depends” so much it’s kind of exhausting. And the religious shun you because you “lack passion”. But if anything I have too much.
Humans have invented all the gods that came before and we'll keep doing it - in whatever shape or form.
I am slightly surprised though that so many people get triggered by a function emitting next token probabilities in a loop.
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We think in language, words can definitely make you feel emotions. You have not transcended that. This is true for the very comment you replied to which caused you to angrily curse at a stranger.
You don’t think in language though. You consider in language. Otherwise we’d all be dead every time a car changed lanes unexpectedly.
Some people have a voice inside their head that never stops. Mine was that way until I started meditating. I didn’t believe that it was me thinking, but I didn’t know until I could do things without a constant internal monologue.
There are people who almost never talk to themselves in their heads. They have to talk to other people about their thoughts in order to process them. And one of the first tenets of speed reading is stop saying the words in your head and just read.