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Comment by droopyEyelids

7 hours ago

This makes sense if you are ok with your life making the world a worse place. Other people want to try and make it nicer.

Of course, anyone always has the option to volunteer to make the world a better place; but the idea that anyone has a responsibility, or moral obligation to help a society that is actively hostile towards them is insanity.

  • The important point is what a deserter would use as logic when asked "What if everyone gave up and only responded to selfish fear?"

    Then, sir, it would be foolhardy to contribute any part to that service because soon it will all collapse.

    That's, in a historically commonplace fashioned see today, is what the top 10% are doing when seeing the top 1% abdicate all responsibility.

    Low or no taxes? Sounds good ... but it's going to burn down soon.

  • I feel people failed you in your situation. They had an obligation to help you, and they did not.

    • I'll add that this is the whole purpose of a society. The social contract is that of a coalition. Our combined utility is greater than the sum of our individual utility.

      To not have an obligation to society is to be a drain on it. Even if you don't recognize it you still get a lot of benefit from society. It could be better. It should be better. But that will never happen if you never put in your part.

Get off your high horse. This person bled for their country and once their service ended, was discarded without a second thought. They are entitled to feel the way they feel and have earned the privilege to voice their outrage. It is our duty to listen.

  • Their service is commendable and I'll even go so far to say that they were betrayed. But I still don't agree. We all have a duty. Being betrayed gives you every right to be angry, but it is what you do with that anger that matters. Do you use it as an excuse to be self centered or do you recognize that if you're betrayed so have others. That those that betrayed you can only do so because you do not band together. That you do not use your anger to band together and tell them to fuck off. To make them fuck off.

    I'm personally very anti war. But I also am very dissatisfied with how we treat our veterans. To send them to, as Hawkeye says: "worse than hell", and then just abandon them?! That's a high moral sin. Outright unconscionable. But recognize they can only get away with this because we let them. I'm not okay with it, are you?

    It isn't our duty to listen and do nothing. It is our duty to get mad and do something. Which is exactly what Droopy said