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Comment by chrisbrandow

9 hours ago

I used to work for the Air Resources Board of California, and while there is a warm-up period, modern ice cars are so profoundly cleaner than cars even from the early 2000s. It’s pretty stunning.

Regardless, there’s nothing cleaner than no combustion, and I can’t wait until EV‘s have replaced them all

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trimethylpurine  4 hours ago

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  • decimalenough  4 hours ago

    Every single survey that I'm aware has concluded that by any measure EVs are more environmentally friendly than ICEs. The only caveat is that the "startup" footprint of an EV is higher (because batteries), but the ongoing cost is far lower, even with polluting electricity sources like coal, because it's still way more efficient to burn coal in a proper power plant than it is to ship around gasoline and burn it badly in ICEs. The breakeven point (depending on your assumptions and driving habits) is a couple of years in, and after that EVs wipe the floor with ICEs.

    Here's a bunch of those surveys: https://evcentral.com.au/which-is-best-for-the-environment-e...

    Keen to hear your expert opinion on what (eg) the International Energy Agency got wrong.

    • trimethylpurine  4 hours ago

      Is every single survey you're aware of conducted by actual scientists? Are you sure? I'm asking honestly. How is it that every day people like yourself without a science degree are so sure of that fact?

      You should be ashamed. How are you so sure that you know what science looks like? Are you trained in the field?

      Be honest. How do you know that the articles you're subscribed to are provided by actual scientists and not funded by political efforts geared towards profiteering?

      As an expert in the field, I'm trying to tell you that you're wrong. The "science" you're pedaling doesn't withstand basic scientific rigour. And I'm so excited to show you how stupid the article that you listed is.

      But before I do that, are you really willing to accept that you're about to be dunked on? Or are you going to recoil into a politically media made safe space where your argument is immediately infallible because you don't actually believe in science?

      Let me know before I proceed because if you actually can't be convinced then just admit you're not a scientist and recuse yourself.

      Are you a scientist or a politician?

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