Comment by charcircuit
8 hours ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law
>despots don't care about the law
This is such a low probability scenario that I don't think it's worth the average person to worry about.
8 hours ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law
>despots don't care about the law
This is such a low probability scenario that I don't think it's worth the average person to worry about.
The US is currently descending into fascim. With each passing day, we see more bold and obviously illegal actions that we would not have dreamed up in our wildest nightmares.
A few years ago most people would think violating the Posse Comitatus act would be such a low probability scenario. And yet.
Wait, so you think government that will make some "ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation and much more" illegal is probable enough to consider such hypothetical situation, but government that will ignore law is where you draw the line?
I think ex post facto laws being passed is much more rare of a situation.
"Ex-post facto? No, you see, the message was still in the Discord chat history and you did not delete it, despite having years to do so."
> This is such a low probability scenario
how is it a low probability scenario?
it's happened before, in living memory (there are still people alive that survived the holocaust)
and you're seeing the early stages of despotic rule literally today in Minnesota
There weren't ex post facto laws being passed during the holocaust.
>the early stages of despotic rule literally today in Minnesota
This type of thinking is what is leading to the destruction of order there.
> This type of thinking is what is leading to the destruction of order there.
Yes, we are seeing a destruction of order in MN. US citizens being terrorized by ICE and CBP agents with 47 days of training, no understanding of the legal limits of their authority, and no consequences when they go beyond those limits.
But that's not being caused by people pushing back against the beginnings of autocracy. That's being caused by the people who want to become autocrats.
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> This type of thinking is what is leading to the destruction of order there. Are you sure it's this kind of thinking that's at fault? I would've said that it's actually caused by giving people without training and any serious screening extreme power with absolutely zero accountability. Would love to hear your take on this though.
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> There weren't ex post facto laws being passed during the holocaust.
the argument isn't that states can't create ex-post facto laws (even though they can, see: any country with parliamentary sovereignty)
it's that what the law says doesn't matter when the executive no is longer bound by the rule of law
see: the United States under the Trump regime
the fact that some previous legislature has passed a law saying that "using the gay/jewish/disabled/... database for bad things is illegal" is of no consequence when the state already has the database and has no interest in upholding the rule of law
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