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Comment by throw0101c

2 days ago

> If you are debating whether to read this article, read it. It’s comprehensive and precise, and although political in substance […]

Also perhaps worth noting that David Frum, former speech writer to Dubya Bush, writes for The Atlantic (and has been against Trump from the start: see his book Trumpocracy):

* https://www.theatlantic.com/author/david-frum/

So we're not just talking about 'leftists' criticizing these actions and policies.

The left / right split isn't really meaningful in the United States right now.

The split is currently between people who believe in and want a functional and equitable government, and those who are fine with a kleptocracy as long as they are personally the beneficiaries (or at least, the people they dislike suffer worse).

People like Frum were quick to notice this and get on the correct side of it. Unfortunately, there are not enough Republicans who feel the same way to make much of a difference.

  • It must just be a coincidence that literally everyone supporting this is on the right politically. Isn't this sort of weasel wording part of the problem? Conservative voters are the problem. Full stop. Without them, there is no Trump.

    • nit: Fascist voters who think of themselves as "conservative" are the problem. Actual conservatives wouldn't support Trump attacking institution after institution, both domestic and international.

      My point isn't to defend the behavior of the people who have called themselves conservative for the past ~forty years. Rather it's meant to reclaim the term for what has now clearly become the middle of the Overton window. For example, never before having voted for a major party candidate in a national race in my whole life, I voted Biden in 2020 and Harris 2024. I consider these solidly conservative votes, and partially attribute them to my getting older and more conservative.

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And was a pretty rabid conservative until the Trump era. He only left the Republicans in 2024, he was around for the first term.

Maybe he's grown a spine.

  • > He only left the Republicans in 2024, he was around for the first term.

    Yes, he hoped to fight from the inside, but recognized that the GOP had been taken over my inmates.

    In 2016 he voted for Clinton and urged others to do so:

    > Surely the American system of government is more robust than the Turkish or Hungarian or Polish or Malaysian or Italian systems. But that is not automatically true. It is true because of the active vigilance of freedom-loving citizens who put country first, party second. Not in many decades has that vigilance been required as it is required now.

    > Your hand may hesitate to put a mark beside the name, Hillary Clinton. You’re not doing it for her. The vote you cast is for the republic and the Constitution.

    * https://archive.is/https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...