Comment by epsters
1 month ago
Don't know about who exactly are the 'leftists' you are referring to but here's my take :
Palestine : Dont send bombs. Send Aid. Lift blockade so Palestinians dont suffer.
Iran : Dont send bombs. Send Aid. Lift sanctions so Iranian people dont suffer.
Interested to hear your take regarding the same.
Lifting sanctions just helps the mullahs flex their power on Iranian civilians. Lifted sanctions means more suffering for Iranian people and people abroad suffering from Iran-funded terrorist groups.
'To help the civillians we must starve them with total economic sanctions until they overthow their government' comes off as cynical and depraved (in hindsight of similar actions in Gaza, Iraq, Afghanistan and also Iran ) and i no longer subscribe to it.
I'm not sure it's about helping get civilians.
Sanctions for Iran is about limiting their economic growth. So that they are less effective should they try to attack their neighbors.
Civilians in a dictatorship are probably not entirely with responsibility for the regime actions either.
Regimes can rarely survive without supporters.
> Lifting sanctions just helps the mullahs flex their power on Iranian civilians
I am not sure how you're imagining this. Showing that they can buy an American iPhone, for example, is a worse "flex of power" than killing 30k protestors? I just don't get what is the supposed power flex without sanctions gonna be.
The purpose of sanctions is (everytime) actually different. It's to break the civilians so they would revolt against the government. So with sanctions, you're hurting civilians by definition. It might be "for the greater good", but it's certainly amoral approach in my book.
This is such an absurd analysis that it is bewildering anyone would post it.
Lifting the sanctions doesn't suddenly make their government, regulation or economy stable. Their biggest companies are all government-owned and famously corrupt and mismanaged.
This is criticism given from most of the region when the topic of lifting sanctions comes up. Nothing I said is novel or extreme.
In fact, we have direct evidence of what happens when those sanctions are lifted from when it was done under the Biden administration. They expanded their nuclear program and expanded funding to their regional proxies to carry out terror campaigns. The Houthis attacked global shipping lines and October 7th happened. That's not theoretical.
Btw, I'm of Iranian descent.
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A lot of Iranians would probably love for us to send weapons. There are videos of Iranians celebrating the bombings of IRGC bases during the 12-day war.
Your simplistic recipe shows you don't understand the situation and way for improvement in either case.
What part of the previous comment do you think is so ridiculous?
And why should liberal countries trade with genocidal regimes, so that they don't kill their own people? Is that seriously what you're proposing - appease the bully?