This is pretty much entirely false. Maybe you don't actually know or talk to any progressives? Or the ones you're around are very bizarre. Or maybe you're extrapolating from impressions you've gotten on Twitter?
I do talk to progressive people. They are not informed about anything. They just look at everything as the struggle of the "wronged" against those that have historically committed wrongs (in their eyes) and this mystical alignment of all "wronged" to bring about change.
I'm sure there are many "progressives" who do think for themselves and have some rational agenda but those are not the (very smart but) people I interact with.
Russias' narrative about its special operation in Ukraine is also about a defensive war. I'm curious to know about your stance on this Russian-Ukraine conflict.
The cognitive dissonance is supporting Ukraine but not supporting Israel. Both were attacked. The anti-Israel argument is like saying Ukraine can't fight back because it's not Russia that attacked Ukraine, it's Putin, and therefore Ukraine has no justification to defend itself against Russia. That's the odd logic that the anti-Israelis bring to bear when Israel defends its population. Granted the power balance is different but the moral position is not. Israel is much stronger than the attacking Palestinian entity but if Ukraine was much stronger and it could inflict a lot more damage on Russia and Russians that would be justified given Russia invaded Ukraine and does not yield.
So what the germans did in ww2 was a defensive war also? Funny how the people whining endlessly about genocide are so eager to defend it.
> Because they've decided the Jews in their historical lands
First of all, it was never the "historical lands" of the jews. It belonged to the canaanites whom the jews decided to steal it from. Read your torah. Secondly, europeans larping as jews are not part of the torah and hence have no claim to that land.
> the other is slaughtering of people by an oppressive regime.
Is that the "oppressive regime" defending itself from constant israeli attacks? Hmmm...
Another israeli trying to get the US involved in more wars for their selfish interests.
Last I checked the Germans weren't invaded before WW-II and had their civilians massacred and abducted.
The European Jews are absolutely the Jewish people from the Torah. This is proven by DNA tests and is also a result of the Jewish people in Europe staying in their own separate communities. Very few people convert to Judaism. A Cohen in Europe is a descendant of biblical Aaron, there is no other way to become a Cohen (a priest), similar for Levy's. Because of all these complicated laws Jewish people have always kept track of their lineage which impact various religious laws. But yeah, that's the antisemitic lie the Palestinians are propagating amongst their many other lies.
The Israelites are likely descendants of the Canaanites. This was before anyone was Jewish. More antisemitism. Modern Jewish people and others (including some Palestinians and other people of the Levant) carry Canaanite DNA.
Israel can handle Iran. But I guess you couldn't care less about their oppressive regime and innocents being murdered.
The vast majority of Humans are also descended from the Jewish people of the Torah. In fact, half of the people I know have an Ashkenazi Grandfather or Great-grandfather. So, why can't we all be part of the state of Israel, too? Isn't that the easiest solution? [I know, I know - the oral law and the nations, and all of that - but can't the rabbis just cross out those parts?]
> The European Jews are absolutely the Jewish people from the Torah.
This is 100% false. The vast majority of european "jews" were converts. DNA proves it. History proves it. Not to mention european "jews" look like aliens in the levant.
> A Cohen in Europe is a descendant of biblical Aaron, there is no other way to become a Cohen (a priest), similar for Levy's.
Considering that the babylonians essentially wiped out the descendants of aaron/levites ( assuming the lineage made it that far ), your assertion is rather absurd. Ever wonder why judaism went from patrilineal to matrilineal after the babylonian conquest? How can you claim a cohen is descended from Aaron when european jews claim jewish lineage is MATRILINEAL! The torah says jewish lineage is patrilineal. European "jews" claim it is matrilineal. Hmmmmm....
> The Israelites are likely descendants of the Canaanites.
Yes. REAL israelites were descended from the SEMITIC canaanites. Do you know who aren't semites? European "jews". Most modern israelis are not semitic because europeans are not a semitic peoples.
> Modern Jewish people and others (including some Palestinians and other people of the Levant) carry Canaanite DNA.
Sure. Modern ethnic jewish people. Europeans jews are not ethnic jews nor ethnic semites nor are they religiously jewish. But palestinians are ethnic semites.
The most anti-semitic peoples in the world are european "jews" who are genociding palestinians ( who are actual semites ).
This is pretty much entirely false. Maybe you don't actually know or talk to any progressives? Or the ones you're around are very bizarre. Or maybe you're extrapolating from impressions you've gotten on Twitter?
I do talk to progressive people. They are not informed about anything. They just look at everything as the struggle of the "wronged" against those that have historically committed wrongs (in their eyes) and this mystical alignment of all "wronged" to bring about change.
I'm sure there are many "progressives" who do think for themselves and have some rational agenda but those are not the (very smart but) people I interact with.
Russias' narrative about its special operation in Ukraine is also about a defensive war. I'm curious to know about your stance on this Russian-Ukraine conflict.
Ukraine didn't attack Russia. Hamas attacked Israel.
Didn't know Hamas was a country now.
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The cognitive dissonance is supporting Ukraine but not supporting Israel. Both were attacked. The anti-Israel argument is like saying Ukraine can't fight back because it's not Russia that attacked Ukraine, it's Putin, and therefore Ukraine has no justification to defend itself against Russia. That's the odd logic that the anti-Israelis bring to bear when Israel defends its population. Granted the power balance is different but the moral position is not. Israel is much stronger than the attacking Palestinian entity but if Ukraine was much stronger and it could inflict a lot more damage on Russia and Russians that would be justified given Russia invaded Ukraine and does not yield.
> One is a defensive war
So what the germans did in ww2 was a defensive war also? Funny how the people whining endlessly about genocide are so eager to defend it.
> Because they've decided the Jews in their historical lands
First of all, it was never the "historical lands" of the jews. It belonged to the canaanites whom the jews decided to steal it from. Read your torah. Secondly, europeans larping as jews are not part of the torah and hence have no claim to that land.
> the other is slaughtering of people by an oppressive regime.
Is that the "oppressive regime" defending itself from constant israeli attacks? Hmmm...
Another israeli trying to get the US involved in more wars for their selfish interests.
Last I checked the Germans weren't invaded before WW-II and had their civilians massacred and abducted.
The European Jews are absolutely the Jewish people from the Torah. This is proven by DNA tests and is also a result of the Jewish people in Europe staying in their own separate communities. Very few people convert to Judaism. A Cohen in Europe is a descendant of biblical Aaron, there is no other way to become a Cohen (a priest), similar for Levy's. Because of all these complicated laws Jewish people have always kept track of their lineage which impact various religious laws. But yeah, that's the antisemitic lie the Palestinians are propagating amongst their many other lies.
The Israelites are likely descendants of the Canaanites. This was before anyone was Jewish. More antisemitism. Modern Jewish people and others (including some Palestinians and other people of the Levant) carry Canaanite DNA.
Israel can handle Iran. But I guess you couldn't care less about their oppressive regime and innocents being murdered.
The vast majority of Humans are also descended from the Jewish people of the Torah. In fact, half of the people I know have an Ashkenazi Grandfather or Great-grandfather. So, why can't we all be part of the state of Israel, too? Isn't that the easiest solution? [I know, I know - the oral law and the nations, and all of that - but can't the rabbis just cross out those parts?]
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> The European Jews are absolutely the Jewish people from the Torah.
This is 100% false. The vast majority of european "jews" were converts. DNA proves it. History proves it. Not to mention european "jews" look like aliens in the levant.
> A Cohen in Europe is a descendant of biblical Aaron, there is no other way to become a Cohen (a priest), similar for Levy's.
Considering that the babylonians essentially wiped out the descendants of aaron/levites ( assuming the lineage made it that far ), your assertion is rather absurd. Ever wonder why judaism went from patrilineal to matrilineal after the babylonian conquest? How can you claim a cohen is descended from Aaron when european jews claim jewish lineage is MATRILINEAL! The torah says jewish lineage is patrilineal. European "jews" claim it is matrilineal. Hmmmmm....
> The Israelites are likely descendants of the Canaanites.
Yes. REAL israelites were descended from the SEMITIC canaanites. Do you know who aren't semites? European "jews". Most modern israelis are not semitic because europeans are not a semitic peoples.
> Modern Jewish people and others (including some Palestinians and other people of the Levant) carry Canaanite DNA.
Sure. Modern ethnic jewish people. Europeans jews are not ethnic jews nor ethnic semites nor are they religiously jewish. But palestinians are ethnic semites.
The most anti-semitic peoples in the world are european "jews" who are genociding palestinians ( who are actual semites ).
> the people whining endlessly about genocide
With that you’ve revealed exactly what you are and how much you care about human life in general.