Comment by g947o
10 days ago
I think most people would agree that this is much more superior than Cursor's "browser" from an engineering perspective -- it doesn't do much but does it well, as you pointed out.
What it tells me is that "effectively using agents" can be much more important than just throwing tokens at a problem and see what comes out. I myself have completely deleted several small vibe-coded projects without even going over the code, because what often happens is that, two days after the code is generated, I realize that I was solving the wrong problem or using the wrong approach.
A coding agent doesn't care. It most likely just does whatever you ask it to do with no pushback. While in some cases it's worth using them to validate an idea, often you dig a deeper hole for yourself if you go down a wrong path in the first place.
Yeah, I agree with all of what you wrote, how these are used seems (to me) to be more important than how they're built. If you don't know software engineering, a software engineering agent isn't suddenly gonna make you one, but someone who already knows the craft, can be very effective with one.
Amplifiers, rather than replacements. I think the community at large still thinks LLMs and agents are gonna be "replacing" knowledge, which I think is far from the truth.
I built a moderately complex and very good looking website in ~2 hours with the coding agent. Next step would be to write a backend+storage, and given how well the agent performs in these type of tasks, I assume I will be able to do that in the manner of hours too. I have never ever touched any of the technology involving the web development so, in my case, I can say that I no more need a full-stack dev that in normal circumstances I would definitely do. And the cost is ridiculous - few hours invested + $20 subscription.
I agree however on the point that no prior software engineering skills would make this much more difficult.
Yeah, I don't doubt you, it's really effective at knocking out "simple" projects, I've had success vibe-coding for days, but eventually unless you have some reins on the architecture/design, it falls down over it's own slop, and it's very noticeable as the agent spends more and more time trying to work in the changes, but it's unable to.
So the first day or two, each change takes 20-30 minutes. Next day it takes 30-40 minutes per change, next day up to an hour and so on, as the requirements start to interact with each other, together with the ball of spaghetti they've composed and are now trying to change without breaking other parts.
Contrast that with when you really own the code and design, then you can keep going for weeks, all changes take 20-30 minutes, as at day one. But also means I'm paying attention to what's going on, so no vibe-coding, but pair programming with LLMs, and also requires you to understand both the domain, what you're actually aiming for and the basics of design/architecture.
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Nobody ever needed a full stack dev to build a website
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