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Comment by Datagenerator

13 hours ago

The chord through the midpoints of two sides of an inscribed equilateral triangle cuts a diameter in the golden ratio. This interesting method gives a purely geometric construction of positive Phi without using Fibonacci numbers.

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thaumasiotes  13 hours ago

> This interesting method gives a purely geometric construction of positive Phi without using Fibonacci numbers.

There's nothing particularly interesting about that; phi is (1 + √5)/2. All numbers composed of integers, addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, and square roots can be constructed by compass and straightedge.

  • yababa_y  11 hours ago

    I was somewhat surprised to learn that phi is _merely_ (1 + √5)/2, I didn't have a good conception of what it was at all but I didn't think it was algebraic.

    • thaumasiotes  19 minutes ago

      Phi is conceptually defined like so:

          Suppose you have a rectangle whose side length ratio is ϕ. You draw a line across the rectangle which divides it into a square and another rectangle, maximizing the size of the square you can achieve by doing this.

    Then the side length ratio of the new, smaller rectangle is also ϕ.

      The diagram is straightforward to set up:

             a        b
    +-----+--------+
    |     |        |
    |  ϕa-|        |
    |     |        |-b
    |     |        |
    +-----+--------+
     \            /
      -----  -----
           \/
           ϕb

      This gives us a system of two equations:

          ϕa = b
    ϕb = a + b

      If you substitute b = φa into the other one, you get

          ϕ(ϕa) = a + ϕa

      And since a is just an arbitrary scaling factor, we have no problem dividing it out:

          ϕ² = 1 + ϕ

      Since we defined φ by reference to the length of a line, we know that it is the positive solution to this equation and not the negative solution.

      (Side note: there are two styles of lowercase phi, fancy φ and plain ϕ. They have their own Unicode points.

      HN's text input panel displays φ as fancy and ϕ as plain. This is reversed in ordinary text display (a published comment, as opposed to a comment you are currently composing). And it's reversed again in the monospace formatting.)