Comment by cbolton
7 hours ago
I'm curious how that works in the extreme... Isn't prostitution legal in the Netherlands? A brothel can offer you a job and you have to accept?
7 hours ago
I'm curious how that works in the extreme... Isn't prostitution legal in the Netherlands? A brothel can offer you a job and you have to accept?
"Any job you can do is eligible" is highly inaccurate. I went through this after my PhD funding in NL ran out, which is considered a layoff. I only had to demonstrate that I made some applications to relevant jobs. No pressure whatsoever to go work in some unrelated job.
Yes, the UWV [1] unemployment benefits are not perpetual (I don't recall the exact formula used to calculate the eligibility length). But even after your unemployment benefits stop, depending on the level of your savings, you may be eligible for receiving other benefits (e.g. health insurance and rent).
Overall, it is a very pro-worker system, with the major benefit of it being not "free money" (as US readers may assume), but the decreased leverage your employer has over you.
[1] https://www.uwv.nl/nl
Do note that you could be in the active group of an experiment if you had WW in the past 5-6 years. There was (is?) an experiment where they check some people less and even not force you to look but let you work it out on your own.
> Overall, it is a very pro-worker system
Having had to deal with parts of the Dutch system, I'm positive it's rigged against you. And you pay for it, it's literally a tax (WW premie, part of the "werknemersverzekeringen" aka employees insurance).
It was before 2020, so I don't think there was any experiment. I had to regularly submit proof of job applications, and had to meet with UVW in person a few times.
The Dutch system is definitely rigged in the health insurance part, where they more-or-less applied US-style privatization.
But unemployment benefits are quite ok. Yes, we pay for it, the money have to come from somewhere. But it's not that your employer would handle you the money if you didn't have WW. And it's definitely better and more stress-free than GoFundMe campaigns (either as a donor or a recipient). And, again, the tilt in the employment power dynamics in your favour is priceless.
> Isn't prostitution legal in the Netherlands? A brothel can offer you a job and you have to accept?
It's in a somewhat comparable job but without regard for payment level or educational/promotional equivalence so you have to accept lower pay. The most extreme is a temp job but you have to be far gone to get there and even then there are limits.
Also, switching from a desk job to a physical job (which in this case is very physical) is not something the UWV (the goverment part which handles this) will try to bring up to a judge if you refuse as Dutch law has a "reasonability" principle and you can very easily argue that would be unreasonable.
The again, this is the UWV we are talking about. They task people with chronic fatigue syndrom to work for 20 hours a week in the fields because "their sheet says so".
The length of unemployment benefits is calculated in work years: 3 months are guaranteed, for every year worked you get 1 extra month up to 10, then 0.5 per year (changed in 2016 because the right has been in power for over 15 years).
I doubt that you will end up in the red light district but it’s possible that a middle management position will end up in an Amazon distribution center as an order picker or has to harvest strawberries.
Not that bad and you might learn some Polish or Romanian while doing those jobs as you will likely be the only Dutch person there.