Comment by nailer
8 hours ago
> grassroots political opponents
Organised criminal activity.
Edit: I’m not complaining about moderation but it would be fascinating to know what part of this others believe is incorrect:
- Do you think the Anti ICE groups are not organised?
- Do you think obstructing federal officers is not criminal?
- Something else.
Organized as in they have meetings, serve cookies, and coffee? Most likely not. These anti-ice groups seem to be extemporaneous meetups.
Define obstruction. Everything reported, blowing whistles, encouraging businesses not provide service to ICE agents, and recording from a distance is not obstruction. It's a First Amendment right to keep government forces in check.
There are many anti ICE activists that are organized. ACLU and Indivisible are two such groups. There are many instances of people obstructing federal agents by anti ICE activists and protesters.
Organised in that they have training manuals, roles, procedures and coordination via 1000 member signal groups.
Criminal because grabbing officers, directing traffic into operations, biting off fingers, blowing whistles directly into people’s ears, blocking agents with vehicles, and intimidating agents via doxxing all violate 18 U.S.C. § 111 which makes it illegal to forcibly assault, resist, oppose, impede, intimidate, or interfere with federal officers (including ICE agents) during their duties.
To answer your question, no, I don't think the organized activity is criminal, and I don't believe the alleged criminal activity is organized.
A question for you: using your definition, do you think that ICE is an organized crime group?
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Comments like this just make me think people are jealous that right wing groups aren't good at organizing.
Preventing out-of-control federal officers from committing crimes is NOT criminal. Especially when you don't even know if they ARE federal officers, and won't show their faces, badges, or warrants.
That might be the rationale used to obstruct federal agents, but that isn’t really the case. These anti ICE activists are breaking the law, and I do not think this vigilante stance is safe or productive.
You think that an agent needs to show a random bystander a warrant?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46798601
Do you agree with the ICE agent who said "You raise your voice, we erase your voice?" Is that an acceptable thing for federal officers to do, or is that unconstitutional, criminal violation of civil rights?
I care more about reining in the overweight GEDstapo agents murdering people in the street than people blowing whistles at them.