{"id":46797408,"user":"lateforwork","time":1769617295,"time_ago":"20 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

Ask the people who are dying on the streets.","comments":[{"id":46798081,"user":"kreetx","time":1769619725,"time_ago":"20 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

These people wouldn't be dying if they weren't out there picking a fight with the officers.","comments":[{"id":46798625,"user":"lateforwork","time":1769621546,"time_ago":"20 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

Right, it is far better to let them roll us over with no protests.","comments":[{"id":46798904,"user":"kreetx","time":1769622590,"time_ago":"20 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

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They are demanding "show me your papers" to citizens, often chasing, arresting and jailing them for being brown, and turning the US into a police state.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6UWUXkzQVA","comments":[{"id":46799634,"user":"kreetx","time":1769625205,"time_ago":"20 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

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Because they are Americans? Under the Fourth Amendment, police cannot demand ID from a pedestrian for no reason. Other constitution violations include 1st amendment (Rümeysa Öztürk), ICE memo allowing officers to enter homes without a judicial warrant (violation of 4th), denying due process (Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments), etc.","comments":[{"id":46800153,"user":"kreetx","time":1769627592,"time_ago":"20 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

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Doesn't matter. You can't suspend constitutional protections when they are inconvenient. And it isn't just violations of the constitution, it is also destroying our relationships with European allies, destroying the planet by ignoring climate change, destroying the environment, destroying our health, destroying American competitiveness by defunding research, destroying consumer protections, etc. And what you were asking, did you ask how bad it is, objectively?","comments":[{"id":46814360,"user":"kreetx","time":1769711569,"time_ago":"19 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

Not sure constitution works like that, that a suspicious person can simply run and you can't check ID.

The opinion to allow visa holders as the Turkish person to exercise political activism is funny, too. Don't you think it's the citizens who the country should look after?

Europe is confused, but is finally coming around to understanding that they need to be able to protect themselves. Let's hope we make it on time :).

You can't really turn around climate without China and India. You may try to cripple yourself to attempt it though, but you'll lose even harder then.

I can also tell you that I've seen public funding on various science projects in EU. While it's convenient for the scientists to live off of these projects, then rarely if ever does much or any value come out of it. No companies nor products. Most of the "digital product" is provided to us by US companies, we don't come even close to having anything like it. EU leaders also somehow think that economic development is a matter of their "decision", but as career public servants they have little to no private experience, and just run public funds in "social circuits" that don't produce much.

Objectively.","comments":[{"id":46822968,"user":"donkeybeer","time":1769770990,"time_ago":"19 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

The right for the Turkish person to engage in free speech either exists or not. If VISA holders don't have free speech then it must be advertised very clearly so people can avoid taking on a US Visa.","comments":[{"id":46823074,"user":"kreetx","time":1769771950,"time_ago":"19 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

That's your interpretation of the constitution. There are other/more laws and circumstances that nuance the situation (you'll find these if you look into that case).

It's similar to the protesters interfering with law enforcement doing their work: you can't protest anywhere at any time. If you take this strict view of the constitution, you could do many currently illegal things, e.g get out of prison by simply hugging a prison guard and following him out, saying that you are protesting in this particular way; say that you are protesting 24/7 and whistle or make other noises throughout the night, which otherwise would be violate noise ordinance. And so on and so on.

Edit: This video explains it well further: https://youtu.be/QePoawDA_48?si=0mr-lMR_lIRoBDA_","comments":[{"id":46823135,"user":"donkeybeer","time":1769772383,"time_ago":"19 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

You are commenting to the wrong post. The Turkish person wasn't in any rally, she didn't leak any state secrets, she simply wrote an essay criticizing Israel. Either visa holders have a right to free speech in which case this is illegal,or they don't have a right to free speech in which case it must be advertised far and wide so people can avoid visiting the USA.","comments":[{"id":46823184,"user":"kreetx","time":1769772699,"time_ago":"19 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

No, the video gives nuances into how law and constitution works. I.e, regarding whether visa holders have the right to free speech or not, she was deemed not to. If you look into that case, you'll find the specific reasons.","comments":[{"id":46823263,"user":"donkeybeer","time":1769773277,"time_ago":"19 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

Good to know. Then we establish visa holders do not have a right to free speech. We should make this point known far and wide.","comments":[],"comments_count":0,"level":13,"url":"item?id=46823263"}],"comments_count":1,"level":12,"url":"item?id=46823184"}],"comments_count":2,"level":11,"url":"item?id=46823135"}],"comments_count":3,"level":10,"url":"item?id=46823074"}],"comments_count":4,"level":9,"url":"item?id=46822968"}],"comments_count":5,"level":8,"url":"item?id=46814360"}],"comments_count":6,"level":7,"url":"item?id=46800800"}],"comments_count":7,"level":6,"url":"item?id=46800153"}],"comments_count":8,"level":5,"url":"item?id=46800028"}],"comments_count":9,"level":4,"url":"item?id=46799634"}],"comments_count":10,"level":3,"url":"item?id=46799456"}],"comments_count":11,"level":2,"url":"item?id=46798904"}],"comments_count":12,"level":1,"url":"item?id=46798625"}],"comments_count":13,"level":0,"url":"item?id=46798081"}],"comments_count":14,"url":"item?id=46797408"}

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