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Comment by kaashif

1 day ago

It's not based on marketing, it appears to be based on metrics like amount of venture capital raised.

It should be based on the number of successes relative to the amount raised or ROI and that picture is quite different. In that sense London is way behind SV.

  • The article doesn't dispute that London is way behind SV. What it's saying is that for non-US funding, London dominates.

    • But it isn't true. For the rest of the world SV is still the place to go to, one way or another. The difference is just too big. What you could say is that London is the place to try to raise money if you can't raise in SV. But you'll have to realize that your chances of success are dramatically lower that way to the point that you're going to end up a with a small fraction of the stock yourself after the inevitable dilution through follow up rounds because you couldn't raise a large enough round to begin.

      VC in London is harsh, both for the start-ups and for the VCs. What does happen is that a company manages to stay alive long enough to raise a secondary round in the USA, but then you can't really make the original claim in the TFA.

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Given that London has little else going for it other than a financial industry it's not surprising money is raised and companies are registered there.

That said I don't know anyone doing a startup in London. But I know dozens in Berlin without even thinking about it.

  • Eh, I know quite a few. LegalTech, hardware, obviously fintech, quite a bit of AI. But I work at a London startup so my social circle might be different to yours.

Having a London domicile often leads to an overstating in venture capital raised for the UK ecosystem.

For example, I've funded Polish and Indian startups that chose the UK as their legal domicile because we couldn't be bothered to hire a legal team to draft a contract to Polish or Indian specifications.

Builder.ai [0] is a great example of that - it was an Indian startup that was domiciled in London to simplify raising capital from Gulf investors.

[0] - https://www.ft.com/content/926f4969-fda7-4e78-b106-4888c8704...

  • Does this also impact US metrics for capital raised? My understanding is that the Delaware C-Corp is still the startup standard for founders from anywhere in the world to raise global capital, which I imagine skews where the capital actually ends up flowing if they are actually building a company in a foreign location and just using the Delaware entity as a holding co.

    • Somewhat, but not to the degree as you see in the UK, Singapore, or HK.

      Until a couple years ago, it was difficult for someone without a SSN to create a Delaware C-Corp and even despite current political instability, the depth of IP, capital, and R&D available in the US is difficult to replicate outside China, Japan, and maybe India.

  • Startups like Builder AI use London because a.) they want to raise money from filthy rich Arab investors and b.) those guys are not known for doing much due diligence. They go more by vibes and hype and who's on the existing cap table. Also c.) they are very comfortable with London because it was so much easier back in the day to launder or siphon away funds from their home countries. London is an extremely popular destination for Gulf Arabs.

    You'll get a lot of shady startups of that kind in London for this reason.

    • Not all Arab investors are bad - for example, funds associated with the Emirate of Abu Dhabi (eg. ADIA, Mubadala) has been extremely successful in their investments explicitly because Tahnoon studied engineering in San Diego (and rolled at Gracie's gym) back in the day.

      Additonally, for every failed investment like builder.ai a fund like QIA and MS Ventures has had multiple other successful investments.

      The perception of "shadiness" in the London VC scene arises simply because a subset of non-American VC simply does not care about value investing and product-led growth.

      Additonally, it's not like the UK doesn't have good VCs and Growth Equity investors - for example Index Ventures and Ballie Guiffold both have a solid track record.

      Being overly congratulatory and being overly pessimistic about the UK scene does more harm than good.