Comment by modeless
13 hours ago
Meanwhile Apple has always been able to read encrypted iMessage messages and everyone decided to ignore that fact. https://james.darpinian.com/blog/apple-imessage-encryption
13 hours ago
Meanwhile Apple has always been able to read encrypted iMessage messages and everyone decided to ignore that fact. https://james.darpinian.com/blog/apple-imessage-encryption
And it's worse if you live in the UK:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/122234
In fact on this page they still claim iMessage is end-to-end encrypted.
>has always been able to read encrypted iMessage messages
...assuming you have icloud backups enabled, which is... totally expected? What's next, complaining about bitlocker being backdoored because microsoft can read your onedrive files?
If you read the link you would know that contrary to your expectation other apps advertising E2EE such as Google's Messages app don't allow the app maker to read your messages from your backups. And turning off backups doesn't help when everyone else has them enabled. Apple doesn't respect your backup settings on other people's accounts. Again, other apps address this problem in various ways, but not iMessage.
>If you read the link you would know that contrary to your expectation other apps advertising E2EE don't allow the app maker to read your messages.
What does that even mean? Suppose icloud backups doesn't exist, but you could still take screenshots and save them to icloud drive. Is that also "Apple has always been able to read encrypted iMessage messages"? Same goes for "other people having icloud backups enabled". People can also snitch on you, or get their phones seized. I feel like people like you and the article author are just redefining the threat model of E2EE apps just so they can smugly go "well ackshually..."
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Absolutly, they intentionally make stuff sound secure and private while keeping full access.
I remember reading this recently. Not saying it’s true but it got my attention
TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 25, 2025 Blind Item #7 The celebrity CEO says his new chat system is so secure that even he can't read the messages. He is lying. He reads them all the time.