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Comment by igorramazanov

3 hours ago

If a country changes course every four years, how can the success of a long-term project be ensured?

And what of its negotiating credibility? How can the other side trust that an agreement will hold in the future?

This is not a critique, but a genuine curiosity, because there's an obvious drawback with a system with opposing world views.

Unless, of course, something still unites them in the first place, with acceptable disparity on each side turning it into an advantage of flexibility and adaptability while keeping the focus on long-term ideas and plans.

Which is largely why presidencies do not mess with the order they inherit too much (subjective statement I know). Most institutions and projects are not stressed and the government branches just keep doing what they always did. The current administration is an outlier, but we all know that.

  • The problem is that the outlier might mark a beginning.

    Seeing what's possible in this position, I doubt future US presidents will hold back.

    • It doesn't matter I'd they hold back or not. The perception of political instability is enough.

      If, as an investor, I'm asked to throw billions at a multi-year project, political risk is going to be on the PowerPoint.

      You may think this current administration is an aberration, but it serves to prove that aberrations can happen. That the levers supposed to prevent this (congress, courts) are creaking. Sure a judge ruled for now, but this is a long way from finished.)

      And that's enough to create doubt. Lots of doubt. The impact of this on long-term future infrastructure projects cannot be over-stated.

      (Let's leave aside that this project was 6 years in the planning, during his first term, before construction start in 2022... which just makes the current behavior worse, not better.)

    • the aphorism that comes to mind with that prospect these days is: "populism is like cigarettes, it's not the first one that kills you, it's the last"

> If a country changes course every four years

Dozens of new GW+ wind farms came online in the last four years. This concerns a few projects in a few particular locations that are exposed to federal interference. It has impacts on the market but the market is larger than these minor disturbances by an order of magnitude.

> while keeping the focus on long-term ideas and plans.

We have private business in this country. They're doing just fine.

I'm not advocating their system, but here's one pro for China obviously.

  • China doesn't have flip-flopping like this with its attendant massive waste. Instead it has endemic corruption which siphons off funds all over the place, perhaps with the exception of the big projects that command the full attention of central leadership.

    • > perhaps with the exception of the big projects that command the full attention of central leadership.

      This is notably an area where the US is massively crippled. States can manage many year projects easier, but the federal government must conceal all such projects behind defense spending. Even that is wildly mismanaged (see: all the canceled naval purchases over the last two decades, and we still have an outdated, if large, navy)

    • Yet somehow they've managed to eliminate extreme poverty and challenge the U.S. in GDP. Sounds like cope to me. They couldn't do that with extreme corruption like we tolerate in U.S. allies.

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  • Also, China can lobby indirectly through media manipulation, and relatively cheaply disrupt our already clunky-feeling Democratic governmental processes.

  • Dictatorships work as long as they're benevolent, much like democracies work as long as they aren't bought.

you’ve landed on the core of politics

the shape of how things actually work is what’s left when constant churn (and now budget blocking) is a fact of life

  • No, this is the core of a particular brand of politics: neoliberal politics. Where the financialization of everything is what's most important. There was a time, still in lived memory, where the US government was able to complete many types of projects and it also coincided with the period of lowest economic inequality (the great compression), the expansion of civil rights, and had the highest taxes against the elites this country has ever seen.

    Obviously if you hate democracy you'll want to destroy this system, which is what they've been working at for the last 50ish years.

    • Tax rates are not the same as effective taxes paid, and US taxes as a percent of GDP are at an all time high. This is besides the fact that gdp is many times higher, growing geometrically.

      It is an interesting question of what changed in terms of ability to execute, but lack of funding isn't the answer. I suspect it is a combination of scope creep, application to intractable problems, and baumols cost disease at work.

> how can the success of a long-term project be ensured?

Well, for one by ensuring that 'long-term' means it starts at the start of a term and ends before the end of that term. At most that only rules out nuclear, at least wrt long term energy projects. And it's not like recent dem administrations were unfriendly towards nuclear. Vogtle 3/4 were approved early in Obama's term, and finished under Biden's.

  • "Long term" means decades when it comes to energy strategy, major infrastructure initiatives, and decarbonization. Four years is woefully inadequate for strategic planning, you’re operating on a tactical level at best.

I'm not sure I follow the questions. The success of a long-term project can be ensured through the procedures described in the source article: you set up a durable judicial system, and invest them with the power to require that the country uphold its end of the bargain, no matter how much its current political leaders might want to change course.

  • you set up a durable judicial system, and give them their own army.

    That's the only way to work around Trump. According to the Constitution, no one can actually make the executive branch do anything it doesn't want to do.

    • No, that's not accurate. The courts frequently make Trump and his cronies do things they don't want to do, and prevent them from doing things they do want to do. Multiple such cases are described in the source article.

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I mean, you could also frame this as an issue the electorate could actually prioritize instead of just hoping the courts work it out