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Comment by pc86

17 hours ago

Perhaps a uniquely American opinion, but employees can opt out quickly and easily by not getting paid by public funds. Most public sector jobs have private sector equivalents. If you want to help people find jobs and your privacy is important enough to make public sector work untenable, get a job with one of the private sector organizations that does that.

> elected officials...have to expose their street address to get elected. This generates real risk.

Is there an epidemic of local German politicians being harassed and assaulted at their homes?

I can think of no reason why constituents should not know where the people in power over them live. Elected officials should not be able to hide from their constituents.

> I can think of no reason why constituents should not know where the people in power over them live.

I can think of plenty of reasons. Political violence in democracies is on the rise globally, and not the sort of organized political violence that people might use to liberate themselves from the chains of oppressors, but rather the kind of lunatic political violence that is committed by irrational lone actors who are fundamentally mentally unwell.

I believe you can have political transparency without involving people's homes and families.

  • When an overworked air traffic controller in Germany gave a plane an instruction that happened to be the opposite of TCAS automatic collision avoidance system, and one pilot followed TCAS to avoid a collision and one followed the controller, the planes crashed and everybody died. A family member of one of the passengers looked up, hunted down, and murdered in cold blood the air traffic controller.

  • Government employees, including and especially elected officials, are employees of the people and the people have a right to the same information any employer has about their employees.

    > Political violence in democracies is on the rise globally

    Citation needed, but even if we say for the sake of argument this is accurate, that doesn't naturally lead to this outcome.

    What makes violence political?

    Is political violence inherently worse? I think it is, but there's at least an argument to be made that it isn't.

    Is stopping that political violence worth the worst case scenario where we make it harder for the public to get this type of information?

    • I'd argue that employers shouldn't have access to employee's home addresses either, outside of situations where it's needed (e.g., employee chooses to get paycheck by mail instead of direct deposit). Most employers keep access to personal employee information (PII) restricted to HR/timekeeping/payroll departments anyway.

      Why would my direct supervisor need my home address?

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    • > Government employees, including and especially elected officials, are employees of the people and the people have a right to the same information any employer has about their employees.

      I don't think any employer has any right to know their employee's home address, to be honest.

      > Is political violence inherently worse? I think it is, but there's at least an argument to be made that it isn't.

      I think this question is rather besides the point. Random acts of violence are bad, so let's not make anybody's home address public information. In the age of the internet, we routinely observe millions of people fixating on one person for some perceived grievance or another, wherein it only takes one lunatic among those millions having access to private information to result in a tragedy. We don't have to make it so easy for these tragedies to happen.

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  • Its literally the last check of power... rich people will find out exactly where the power people live. The masses also need to know

    • The last check on power is murdering politicians in their homes? I beg to differ. If the situation is so bad that violence is truly necessary, the last check is an organized revolution, not an assassination. If the figure is a genuine dictator and important enough to have real power, they would have extensive security surrounding their home anyways. This fantasy of assassinating a would-be Putin or whatever does not justify exposing the addresses of city councilmen or judges or whatever random public servant somebody wants to kill over their grievances.

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Making it slightly more involved for randos to show up at your literal doorstep hardly seems like hiding from one's constituency.