Comment by charcircuit
4 hours ago
Why frame what you are trying to say like that? Businesses of all sizes deserve the ability to protect their businesses from abuse.
4 hours ago
Why frame what you are trying to say like that? Businesses of all sizes deserve the ability to protect their businesses from abuse.
Do they respect my data? Why do they get to track me across sites when I clearly don't want them to but someone can't scrape their data when they don't want them to. Why should big companies get the pass but individuals not? They clearly consider internet traffic fair game and are invasive and abusive about it so it is not only fair to be invasive and abusive back, it is self defense at this point.
They don’t need to track your web browser when they’re owned by Microsoft, because they track every action at a lower level.
Weird, I don't use Windows as an OS but have linkedin. I'd believe the concern and disregard of Linkedin's concern is fair game.
What lower level? Microsoft owns internet?
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Because you signed up to a set of terms and conditions saying LinkedIn can use your data in this way
No one likes paying taxes but they still do it. They could just not work and not have money and therefore not need to pay tax.
I didn't want the web to turn into monolithic platforms. I abhor this status quo.
You cannot function without these enterprises, but that doesn't mean they're ideal or even ethical.
Microsoft wins because of network effects. It's impossible to compete. So I think it should be allowed to assail their monopoly here by any means. It's maximally fair for consumers and for free markets.
Ideally capitalism remains cutthroat and impossible to grow into undislodgeable titans.
Even more ideally, this would become a distributed protocol rather than a privately owned and guarded database.
I think they framed it this way because they don't consider scraping abuse (to be fair, neither do I, as long as it doesn't overload the site). Botting accounts for spam is clear abuse, however, so that's fair game.
No, I consider all data collection and scraping egregious. From that perspective, LinkedIn is hypocritical when Microsoft discloses every filesystem search I do locally to bing.
Are you not scraping a site with your eyeballs when you view a site?
When they scrape, it’s innovation. When you scrape, it’s a felony.
this exchange -- obvious critical / perhaps insurrection speech versus a stable voice of business economics -- should be within the purview of an orderly and predictable legal environment. BUT things moved quickly in the phone battles. Some people say that the legal system has never caught up to the data brokering, and in fact the surveillance state grew by leaps and bounds.
So, reasonable people may disagree. This is a fine place to mention it .. what if individual profiles built at LinkedIn are being combined with illegitimate and even directly illegal surveillance data and sold daily? Everyone stand up and salute when LinkedIn walks in the room? there has to be legal and direct ways to deal with change, and enforcement to complete an orderly and predictable economic marketplace.
I'm sure there are issues with fake accounts for scraping, but the core issue is that LinkedIn considers the data valuable. LinkedIn wants to be able to sell the data, or access to it at least, and the scrapers undermine that.
They could stop all the scraping by providing a downloadable data bundle like Wikipedia.
LLMs scrape Wikipedia all the time, or at least attempt to.
The data bundle doesn't help that at all.
We enjoy the fruits of an LLM or two from time to time, derived from hoards of ill gotten data. Linkedin has the resourses to attempt to block scraping, but even at the resource scale of LI I doubt the effort is effective.
I am not denying that scraping is useful. If it wasn't people wouldn't do it. But if the site rules say you aren't allowed to scrape, then I don't think people should be hostile towards the people enforcing the rules.
Well, they can try to enforce the rules; that's perfectly fair. At the same time, there are many methods of "trying" which I would not consider valid or acceptable ones. "Enforcing the rules" does not give a carte blanche right to snoop and do "whatever's necessary." Sony tried that with their CD rootkits and got multiple lawsuits.
Yes, until it becomes abusive and malignly affects innocents.
the abuse>using the information they publish to the public
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The big social media businesses deserve a Teddy Roosevelt character swooping in and busting their trusts, forcing them to play ball with others even if it destroys their moats. Boo hoo! Good riddance. World's tiniest violin.
This is a popular position across the aisle. Here's hoping the next guy can't be bought, or at least asks for more than a $400M tacky gold ballroom!