Comment by lbrito
12 hours ago
It's wild how it became mainstream in the US to equate Antifa = Bad.
Some geniuses proudly, openly self describe as anti antifa. Guess what that double negation makes you?
12 hours ago
It's wild how it became mainstream in the US to equate Antifa = Bad.
Some geniuses proudly, openly self describe as anti antifa. Guess what that double negation makes you?
If you are against a self-professed democratic people's republic (of Korea), does that make you anti-democratic or anti-people?
This would be a great point if antifa was some official org with fascist views.
It's not. Antifa is just a shortened form of the word anti-fascist. Anyone can call themselves antifa. And typically, only people who view themselves as fighting fascism call themselves antifa.
In short, saying "antifa are the real fascists" is like saying "vegetarians are the real meat eaters". It doesn't make sense.
I didn't say anything of that sort. North Korea calls itself "democratic people republic" and people who call themselves antifa claim they fight "fascists". In both cases, the claim is either completely made up or occasionally somewhat technically correct as they fight anything from corporations to corner store glass windows to journalists who happen to disagree with them and happen to find some fascist
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The difference is that North Korea is a place, with an organization that claims to be its government. You can point to it on a map.
Antifa is an adjective that people with no connection to one another self-apply. I'm antifa, and I imagine you are too, but it doesn't mean that we've ever met or coordinated with one another in any meaningful way.
The word "antifa" is basically meaningless altogether, since virtually every person since the end of WW2 claims to oppose fascism.
Antifa is also a noun describing a group of people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)
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This is evasion; in common use it's a noun not an adjective and refers to specific loosely knit movement, with a few organized groups in it. It's like a riotous far right group called itself patriots and said well if you're against them you must be country-hater.
Their real views and goals have little to do with any kind of "fascism" and is just violent leftism. And as much as i dislike fascism (actual, not whatever Teen Vogue doesn't like), I personally think Marxism is the worst ideology invented, so if eg rose city antifa was fighting some actually grotesque organization like aryan brotherhood, instead of whoever they usually fight, id grudgingly consider the latter to be a lesser evil.
Well, it makes you antiDPRK. Being anti-antifascist just make you a fascist, or a fascist-adjacent supporter.
> Being anti-antifascist just make you a fascist, or a fascist-adjacent supporter.
If a loose-knit ideology/movement called "Anti-Rapists" emerged that evolved into a cohort of various disconnected thugs who targeted homosexuals for violence, would being Anti-"Anti-Rapist" make you a supporter of rapists or rapist-adjacent supporter?
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Well their view ist that antifa are actually fascists, which makes anti antifa democrats.
That’s not their view, it’s their propaganda. No one has ever made any actual, credible argument that anything about “antifa” is actually “fascist”.
But that's really the height of silliness. I can say that all people who describe themselves as 'anticapitalist' are actually capitalists, but that doesn't change anything about those people, the ideology in question, or the world.
Are some people who call themselves antifa secretly fascists? I'm sure they are. So?