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Comment by wqaatwt

19 days ago

That’s also just Volkswagen the brand. If you add up VW, Skoda, Cupra etc. its not even remotely close and they overtook Tesla a while ago..

European EV sales by auto group per quarter:

https://eu-evs.com/marketShare/ALL/Groups/Line/All-time-by-Q...

  • There's no BYD in those charts?

    • It's only showing the top 8 groups. BYD are presumably part of the missing percentage (show it as a bar graph to see how much isn't covered).

      Looking at the data in more detail, BYD are selling about half of Tesla. (85k across Europe in 2025 vs 185k for Tesla)

    • For all the press, BYD isn't actually that big in Europe. As you can see, Geely (another Chinese brand, which gets very little press) is actually bigger.

      If you look at the data for Spain, where they're quite big, you'll see them, but they're not getting into the top 8 for Western Europe as a whole (which is what this site shows).

Toyota’s absence is an embarrassment. Shocking failure of strategy.

  • I think they may catch up quite quickly. In Ireland, I'm suddenly seeing huge numbers of bZ4X, particularly as taxis; Toyota has a tremendous amount of brand loyalty, and I'm fairly sure that there are a lot of people who were waiting to buy an electric car until they could buy a _Toyota_ electric car.

    • Here in Norway they didn't want to send the bZ4K to a large cold weather range test recently performed[1].

      Suzuki, which has a model based on the Toyota Urban Cruiser, disappointed quite a lot, with lowest range of those tested at 224 km (140 miles) and a 40% deviance from WLTP (best ones had 30% deviance).

      Maybe decent in warmer climates, but probably not something for us further north.

      On top was the Lucid Air, with 520 km (323 miles). The test started at -20C (-4F) and ended up at -30C (-22F), so the cars that went the furthest had it tougher.

      [1]: https://www.tek.no/nyheter/nyhet/i/d4mMkA/verdens-stoerste-r...