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Comment by permo-w

18 days ago

>Have you considered that I have more knowledge of poverty, not because I have experienced it, but because I have spent time understanding it?

If this is true, you haven't shown any evidence of it.

>Lets make it clear here: people are either unhappy because of material poverty like lack of money/food or because of higher level needs like love, safety and in this case - not watching abusive videos (so ridiculous that I even have to compare this).

Again you're making a value judgment and not providing any evidence besides saying it's true. Happiness is far more complex than this, and exceedingly many people who do have all the things you just stated are still unhappy, and very very often that's due to trauma.

>Do you genuinely want to challenge me in claiming that people are more unhappy by watching abusive videos than because of material poverty? Really?

My friend, you are consistently failing to understand nuance. This isn't a contest, no one is "challenging" you. Maybe what you said here is true, maybe it isn't, let's discuss the "why"s and the justifications and the evidence, but all you seem to be able to do is say "this is true and it's true because I say it's true, and also maybe suicides but with no evidence".

>Yes I would? ... 3. this means the overall story is a net positive for everyone and your moral grandstanding has no place here

This entire section boils down to an argument that could equally made for slavery. Well if they have a roof over their head and food, why not have slavery? At least they're not starving, right?

The funny thing is that there's absolutely nothing unjustifiable about your position. I actually genuinely don't disagree that people should be able to have these jobs. I'm bringing all this up because your justifications and motivations are completely immoral and illogical. Of course I would take the choice to do this job, but equally I would take the choice of slavery if it stopped me from starving. That doesn't make it right or a good thing for society.

>This entire section boils down to an argument that could equally made for slavery. Well if they have a roof over their head and food, why not have slavery? At least they're not starving, right?

What's the alternative? This is the 6th time I'm asking this. Without answering this question, you are playing rhetorical games.

  • What is a rhetorical game if "ignoring the entire comment and then complaining you didn't answer one question that's entirely irrelevant to the central point" isn't? Read the comment again and try to figure out why it's irrelevant. I'll give you a hint: read the last paragraph. Once you've done that I may continue speaking to you.

    • you have not answered - "its not a good thing for society". so what is? having enough money? what's the point in moral grandstanding to say something so obvious? of course it would be good if everyone has a lot of money.

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  • Read a history book to learn how all this bad stuff was abolished in the West. Ofcourse that requires a basic respect for poor people to develop in India...