Comment by Zaskoda
21 days ago
I hated this movie the first time I watched it. And the second. The third time I let go of the need for things to be realistic and took it all in as an artistic representation and snap... I loved it. One could argue that I loved it all along given that I watched it so many times... but there was a distinct moment where I let go and that's when I was able to see just how wonderful this movie really is.
I adore it. And some of the representations are the best I’ve seen anywhere. Kids exploring for the fun of exploring, not to hurt anyone but just to learn? The clock whirling at 4AM while someone hyperfocuses on code? The way they tease each other but genuinely respect their abilities? It’s beautiful.
There are some niche 3D file system browsers/shells out there, but none as captivating as what's shown in the movie (or the linked "animated experience") that I can find.
Nice little blog post that looks at these interfaces in the movie:
https://scifiinterfaces.com/2023/12/11/hackers/
Not quite filesystem navigation, but SGI IRIX's Performance CoPilot software had an IrixGL (OpenGL's precursor) UI for monitoring things like memory state, CPU/storage loads, etc.
The PCP is absolutely nowhere _near_ the graphical wizardry of the state of this app, and the overlay of executing code atop a given directory structure is quite beautiful (practicality be damned), but I can see the inspiration.
I do wonder if, on a modern Linux system with SELinix, this model (code accessing a directory) is actually closer to viable? SELinux's contexts/labels for subjects overlaying with the same for objects can, I imagine, be visualized. The normal access patterns would be way too overwhelming, I think - but exceptions/policy violations? :ponder:
PCP is still in active development. It's very cool, but probably made obsolete by otel and others. I used it on servers and services regularly until a few years ago. Very lightweight, robust and powerful.
https://github.com/performancecopilot/pcp
I remember being at Summercon before this movie opened and Ericb addressing hotel conference room we were seated in talking about how Iain Softley had directed Backbeat and how happy he was that he was doing this movie and that you had to get in the right headspace to understand what it was going for.
(I think the movie is wildly overrated just as a piece of storytelling; the hacker fan-service in it is just fine, they clearly got some tfile kids to consult with the script.)
It’s not a story driven movie, it’s a movie about a stylized subculture and youth. Compare it to Dazed & Confused instead of Chinatown.
The point is to make you want to hang out with those people on those days and it does that tremendously well.
If you disagree your a flake.
See, I can push back on that! Dazed & Confused barely has a plot. It knows what it's about. Hackers has one of those shake-and-bake 80s plots; it's like a Save The Cat movie. I get that people like the subculture stuff in it, but the movie was trying for something else and faceplanted.
Honestly I think Lawnmower Man might have had more cultural impact.
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> "tfile kids"
Not familiar with that term, and my googling has failed. What does it refer to?
http://textfiles.com/
people familiar with the culture
> I hated this movie the first time I watched it. And the second. The third time I let go of the need for things to be realistic and took it all in as an artistic representation and snap... I loved it.
I never managed to reach your third time. Once was enough for me, at the time, to decide it was an awful movie which didn't have anything to do with hackers or computers and which was terribly overacted, and that was that. Filed under yet another "Hollywood just doesn't get it", subsection "so bad it's embarrassing".
Much later I realized I had missed a cult classic. Oh well. I still think it's a bad movie, but I'm ok with other people loving it... maybe that's my growth moment.
I love it, but I know it's bad, but I also think it was intentionally what it is, which makes it good or even great.
If you can unlock that teenage feeling of wonder at the potential size and scope of the world and, at the right age at the right time, feeling like that world is your oyster, that's the feeling in which to watch this movie.
I refuse, however, to get into that feeling-zone for other 'high school' movies; they're stupid...
Hackers is weird in that the tech part of it is so obviously fake, but then you have the hacker culture part that goes to the point of actually quoting a large part of the "Hacker's Manifesto" in the movie.
I've flipped that switch for book adaptations.
I let go of fanboying on what Hollywood "did to" the story and instead just decided to be thankful something I love was given a new medium / audience / interpretation... and voila! now I have two things to love.
It's still fun to point out where things could've been done differently, but instead of actually disliking the film(s) because of those things, it's just another mechanism that lets me talk to my friends about something. Much more fun than riding home in silence in any case. ;)
I am mixed on that.
For me there are 2 issues
(1) I read the book. it was awesome. If the movie fails to deliver that awesomeness then it's really upsetting as it's ruining something great for everyone that didn't read the book / see the original. They're unlikely to go check the original. They're more likely to just think "That was dumb".
(2) When they change things so much that they arguably should not have used the name.
Why choose some existing fictional world/characters just to shit on them and make it something else? If you wanted to make something else, then pick a new name, make your own IP.
I actually really liked the live action adaptation of Cowboy Bebop, and was disappointed at it's cancellation.
Unpopular opinion amongst those who grew up on the anime, but I was late to the anime so my childhood-integrity isn't dependent upon requiring a faithful one to one retelling (or whatever would satisfy those folks - possibly nothing).
I enjoyed the "Hollywood" Ghost in the Shell as a stand-alone 'thing', unrelated to the manga / anime. The ending is quite on the nose; ultra-formulaic where formulaic has no place.
The problem with the live action cowboy bebop was poor casting. Spike shouldn’t look in his 40s, he was 27.
Tried to watch it for the first time recently. Didn’t make it past 20 minutes… feel like I had to be there when it was fresh back in the day.
Try reading Masters of Deception first, to get in the right mood.
Me neither. It's just too weird.
On the other hand, something like blade runner I still think is amazing. Or the matrix (original only)
Let go and embrace the weird.
I’ve said this before on hating news but the best movie that stands up is sneakers.
Just imagine somebody has invented a quantum computer with a production process that has a very high error rate so a second one can’t be easily produced.