Comment by oaiey
11 days ago
I do not know what is more critical: the risk of censorship or stand by while hospitals, banking, nuclear power plants and other systems become compromised and go down with people dying because of it. These decision makers not only have powers but also have a responsibility
Have you ever seen a hospital, a bank, a power plan to expose telnetd to the public internet in the last 20 years? It should be extremely rare and should be addressed by company’s IT not by ISPs.
These are the institutions I would most expect to do that.
Well, maybe not a bank.
Probably Tier 1 providers have some insight on this.
This feels more akin to discovering an alarming weakness in the concrete used to build those hospitals, banks and nuclear power plants – and society responding by grounding all flights to make sure people can't get to, and thus overstress, the floors of those hospitals, banks and nuclear power plants.
In the UK we have in fact discovered an alarming weakness in the concrete used to build schools, hospitals and other public building (in one case, the roof of a primary school collapsed without warning). The response was basically "Everybody out now".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_United_Kingdom_reinforced...
https://www.theconstructionindex.co.uk/news/view/raac-crisis...
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/aug/31/what-is-ra...
You feel it's similar because having access to port 23 is similarly life critical as having access to an hospital? Or is it because like with ports, when people can't flight to an hospital, they have 65000 other alternative options?
All I'm saying is that the only right place to fix this is at the hospital. Not at the roads leading to it.
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nah, that's like seeing an open gate to nuclear tank - a thing easily fixed within few minutes - and responding to it by removing every road in existence that can bear cars
Censorship is one of these words that get slapped on anything.
Filtering one port is not censorship. Not even close.
> censorship, the suppression or removal of writing, artistic work, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security
It is not the responsibility of the Tier 1 or the ISP to configure your server securely, it is their responsibility to deliver the message. Therefore it is an overreach to block it because you might be insecure. What is next. They block the traffic to your website because you run PHP?
Similar to how the mailman is obligated to deliver your letter at address 13 even though he personally might be very superstitious and believe by delivering the mail to that address bad things will happen.
I don't agree with your argument, but I don't want to debate that.
But let's say I agree: That still is not censorship.
If that really affects them it's better to take them offline.