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Comment by joe_mamba

16 days ago

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> Jacques BAUD and Xavier MOREAU, Swiss and French nationals respectively, were sanctioned by the EU along with a laundry list of Russian nationals, on the accusation of being russian mouthpieces (...)

If this is the best example you can muster, you don't have much of a case.

They are Russian nationals pushing propaganda for a totalitarian regime which has been engaging in wars of annexation throughout Europe and whose threats of nuclear war against Europe are pushed on almost on a daily basis.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/12/18/who-are-the-we...

> I would get it if they only did this to russian citizens living in Russia in the current geopolitical context, (...)

They are. Nevertheless, it's stupid to even consider the idea that only foreign nationals can be foreign agents.

  • >They are Russian nationals pushing propaganda for a totalitarian regime which has been engaging in wars of annexation throughout Europe and whose threats of nuclear war against Europe are pushed on almost on a daily basis.

    Where's the proof beyond reasonable doubt resulting from a trial, that those European citizens have done the things you say?

    Or is Euro News propaganda supposed to be the only proof on which EU gets to throw people in jail without trial?

    Shouldn't you get a trial where you get a chance to defend yourself before being sanctioned? I swear you people are cheering for 1984 authoritarianism to buttfuck you.

    >Nevertheless, it's stupid to even consider the idea that only foreign nationals can be foreign agents.

    As long as they are EU citizens, they deserve a fair EU trial and not just get sanctioned because EU says "trust me bro" about people they want to see disappeared.

    • > Where's the proof beyond reasonable doubt resulting from a trial, that those European citizens have done the things you say?

      Are you nuts? Not only does the guy run a company dedicated exclusively to push Kremlin propaganda, he literally presents propaganda program's in Kremlin's RT.

      Are you living under a rock?

      https://www.lemonde.fr/en/pixels/article/2023/12/15/the-web-...

      At this point it's evident you are either playing the role of wilful ignorant, or heavily invested in being contrarian.

    • > they deserve a fair EU trial and not just get sanctioned

      And if they refuse to return to the EU for this trial? That means they could do whatever they want with no consequences?

Moreau is apparently a Russian citizen living in Russia since 2013. I have some concerns about process, but not for these guys. People working for enemy intelligence services tend to get treated harshly.

  • >Moreau is apparently a Russian citizen living in Russia since 2013.

    Is he not still a French born citizen deserving of a fair trial? Or should getting a dual citizenship of a foreign passport, of a nation that later becomes an adversary, become an automatic death sentence? US should then put all it citizens with Cuban and Iranian passports in jail with that logic.

    And then what about Jacques BAUD who's Swiss living in Belgium? He doesn't deserve a fair trial either? On what grounds? With what evidence?

    How can you justify dishing out death sentences without trial? Remember that blindly supporting the authoritarian hand waving of due process with no trial or evidence, just to easily get rid of undesirable people, can always be used against you too, if what you say becomes undesirable when politics shifts.

    • > Or should getting a dual citizenship of a foreign passport, of a nation that later becomes an adversary, become an automatic death sentence?

      You seem to be invested in trying to stitch together flimsy arguments based on specious reasoning.

      Your so-called victims are Russian agents with Russian nationality which have been engaged directly with a totalitarian regime that is engaged in war across Europe, both cold and hot.

      You don't even try to argue for innocence. You know they are agents and guilty, but somehow opt to shift focus to technicalities. Why?

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    • Presumably he’d get an opportunity for a fair trail IF he decided to come back to France. Or do you want him to be tried in absentia?