Comment by sneak
5 days ago
Benj Edwards and Kyle Orland are the names of the authors in the byline of the now-removed Ars piece with the entirely fabricated quotes that didn’t bother to spend thirty seconds fact checking them before publishing.
Their byline is on the archive.org link, but this post declines to name them. It shouldn’t. There ought to be social consequences for using machines to mindlessly and recklessly libel people.
These people should never publish for a professional outlet like Ars ever again. Publishing entirely hallucinated quotes without fact checking is a fireable offense in my book.
I refuse to join your lynch mob, sneak.
Let’s wait for the investigation.
https://arstechnica.com/staff/2026/02/editors-note-retractio...
> That this happened at Ars is especially distressing. We have covered the risks of overreliance on AI tools for years, and our written policy reflects those concerns. In this case, fabricated quotations were published in a manner inconsistent with that policy. We have reviewed recent work and have not identified additional issues. At this time, this appears to be an isolated incident.
> Ars Technica does not permit the publication of AI-generated material unless it is clearly labeled and presented for demonstration purposes. That rule is not optional, and it was not followed here.
As I speculated elsethread, one of the authors did this without the knowledge of the other. That speculation could have been proven false, but it turned out to be correct.
I'm content that reserving judgement was the right call — as opposed to your maximalist call to end the careers of both authors even before all the facts were known.
Since it's so easy to get busted fabricating pull quotes from a published blog (as opposed to the more insidious fabrication of quotes from a private interview), I'm unsurprised that Kyle Ormand didn't go and vet the work of his co-author. Ending Ormond's career is in my view would not have been a proportionate penalty for his role in this affair.
Ars Technica's response is only so-so because although in combination with the Benj Edwards bluesky post it clarifies what happened, it doesn't detail any institutional reforms, such as adding additional layers of review.
> Kyle Orland has been the Senior Gaming Editor at Ars Technica since 2012, covering topics ranging from retro games to new gaming hardware, business and legal developments in the industry, fan communities, gaming mods and hacks, virtual reality, and much more.
I knew I recognized the name....
How is your hit comment any better than the AI's initial post?
It lacked the context supplied later by Scott. Your's also lacks context and calls for much higher stake consequences.
My comment reports only facts and a few of my personal opinions on professional conduct in journalism.
I think you and I have a fundamental divergence on the definition of the term “hit comment”. Mine does not remotely qualify.
Telling the truth about someone isn’t a “hit” unless you are intentionally misrepresenting the state of affairs. I’m simply reposting accurate and direct information that is already public and already highlighted by TFA.
Ars obviously agrees with this assessment to some degree, as they didn’t issue a correction or retraction but completely deleted the original article - it now 404s. This, to me, is an implicit acknowledgment of the fact that someone fucked up bigtime.
A journalist getting fired because they didn’t do the basic thing that journalists are supposed to do each and every time they publish isn’t that big of a consequence. This wasn’t a casual “oopsie”, this was a basic dereliction of their core job function.
> I’m simply reposting accurate and direct information that is already public and already highlighted by TFA.
No you aren't. To quote:
> There ought to be social consequences for using machines to mindlessly and recklessly libel people.
Ars didn't libel anyone. They misquoted with manufactured quotes, but the quotes weren't libelous in anyway because they weren't harmful to his reputation.
Indeed, you are closer to libel than they are.
For example, if these quotes were added during some automated editing processes by Ars rather than the authors themselves then your statement is both harmful to their reputation and false.
> These people should never publish for a professional outlet like Ars ever again. Publishing entirely hallucinated quotes without fact checking is a fireable offense in my book.
That's going perilously close to calling for them to be sacked over something which I think everyone would acknowledge is a mistake.
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One could argue that failing to catch errors in AI generated code is a basic dereliction of an engineer's core job function. I would argue this. That is to say, I agree with you, they used AI as a crutch and they should be held accountable for failing to critically evaluate its output. I would also say that precisely nobody is scrutinizing engineers who use AI equally irresponsibly. That's a shame.