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Comment by ghywertelling

7 days ago

Earlier gamers got punished by crypto and now they are being punished by AI.

"Punished" implies a moral valence to the whole thing which isn't there. It's not like the AI companies were aware of gamers and set out to do this. You simply got run over, like everyone else in front of the trillion dollar bulldozer.

  • "Don't make the mistake of anthropomorphizing Sam Altman. The lawnmower doesn't hate you"?

So what?

Why gamers must be the most important group?

  • Gamers are important because they are consistent customers. Crypto buying of GPUs is done (anyone still in this area is buying ASICs). Meanwhile gamers are still buying GPUs - they do sometimes hold off when the economy doesn't allow, but you can trust that gamers will continue to buy GPUs to play their games and thus they are a safe investment. It is rational to sell CPUs to a gamer for much less than someone in crypto because the gamer will be back (even if the gamer "grows up" there are more replacing them). Thus gamer is an important group while crypto is not.

    The above was their prediction during the crypto boom and it turns out correct. I'm not sure how AI will turn out, but it isn't unreasonable to predict that AI will also move to dedicated chips (or die?) in a few years thus making gamers more important because gamers will be buying GPUs when this fad is over. Though of course if AI turns out to be a constant demand for more/better GPUs long term they are more important.

    Gamers are not the only important GPU market. CAD comes to mind as another group that is a consistent demand for GPUs over the years. I know there are others, they are all important.

    • the "value" of nvidia to the "AI" companies is their tsmc fab contract

      they don't need CUDA, they don't need the 10 years of weird game support, even the networking tech

      they need none of nvidia's technology moats

      exactly same as the crypto, where they just needed to make an ASIC to pump out sha1 as quickly as possible

      which is really, really easy if you have a fab contract

      at which point their use of nvidia dropped to zero

  • I’d rather prefer that the average Joe has a good entertainment system than our corporate overlords has a good surveillance system.

GPUs before crypto had a lot less amount of VRAM. Crypto investment funded a lot of stupid experiments, of which some did stick to the wall. I don't think gamers had lives completely ruined by crypto in the end.

  • Crypto didn't need vram did it? It was just about hash rate no?

    Besides, a 1080 had 8GB, a 5080 has 16GB. Double in 10 years isn't ground breaking. The industry put VRAM into industrial chips. It didn't make it to consumer hardware.

    What games have had to deal with instead is inference based up-scaling solutions. IE using AI to sharpen a lower rest image in real time. It seems to be the only trick being worked on at the moment.

    I can't think of anything useful crypto did.