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Comment by halflife

8 days ago

> Palestinians have long lived under one of the most extensively documented surveillance regimes in the world. The deployment of facial recognition systems, predictive analytics, and device monitoring technologies in the occupied Palestinian territories are widely documented by human-rights organizations and digital researchers.

At the same time Israel has world renowned success of thwarting terrorist plots, and best in class intelligence shared with other countries (like the many, many, terrorist attacks stopped in European capitals thanks to Israeli intelligence).

You can choose either surveillance, or terrorism.

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lkey  8 days ago

When you choose build an apartheid, you choose surveillance, because how else would you enforce a top to bottom racial order on the populace?

When you end apartheid, you end 'terrorism' (legal and ethical resistance against having your life, land, and water stolen). History shows this to be possible, preferable, and moral.

  • yes_really  8 days ago

    > When you end apartheid, you end 'terrorism'

    Your theory has really not been borne out by reality.

    Somehow Hamas committed October 7th and has fired tens of thousands of rockets indiscriminately into Israel since Gaza was given in its entirety to the arabs.

    Somehow Iran has been financing and arming multiple terrorist groups even though it obviously is its own country far away from Israel.

    Somehow Hezbollah has fired tens of thousands of rockets at civilians as well.

    Somehow the Houthis have been committing terrorism sa well and their flag is literally "God is great, Death to America, Death to Israel".

    Yeah, I'm sure if Israel just stopped all the security measures on the West Bank, all terrorism would stop!

    • lkey  8 days ago

      If you could press a button and kill every man, woman, and child in Gaza, would you press that button?

      If you could execute every Yemeni, Iranian, Lebanese and Syrian tomorrow, gifting you a 'clean', and 'pure' world for Greater Israel to flourish for 1000 years, would you do it?

      If your answer is yes. Then anything I say about the right of the invaded and occupied to resist occupation under international law will land on deaf ears.

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  • yes_really  8 days ago

    Also love the refusal to even agree that words have meaning. You put scare quotes around 'terrorism'. Are you saying that Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, and a series of small terrorist groups, and a series of individuals did not commit terrorists attacks in Israel?

    Terrorism is "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." - are you saying exploding bombs, knife attacks, and firing rockets indiscriminately against civilians is not terrorism?

    • C6JEsQeQa5fCjE  8 days ago

      > Terrorism is "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

      Now take a long look in the mirror.

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  • Pay08  8 days ago

    This "apartheid" claim never made sense to me. Are people completely ignorant to South African history? Israeli Palestinians are equal citizens. Black people in South Africa couldn't own property, couldn't vote, and often couldn't even live in the same building as white people.

    • direwolf20  7 days ago

      IIRC Israel maintains apartheid by insisting the oppressed class are not their citizens. They call them Palestinians, and keep them in a small area called Gaza, rather than the South African approach of making them South Africans with lesser rights and the ability to access the whole country.

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  • mupuff1234  8 days ago

    History has also shown that whenever Jews are in a minority of the population something bad tends to a happen to them.

    So a two state solution makes much more sense.

    • lkey  8 days ago

      I disagree. Limiting your understanding of 'can people coexist' down to purely ethnic terms is colonial apartheid thinking.

      "History has also shown that whenever Mizrahi Jews are a minority relative to Ashkenazi Jews something bad tends to a happen to them"

      What now mupuff? Is it because they tainted by their Arab blood?

      I could do this all day with random minorities, but it's not a refutation of my argument.

      'Single supreme race' states are evil. The Antebellum South was one of the most evil places ever to exist and functioned on the exact same terms. There was a civil war, and we settled on a one state solution. The only mistake was not fully purging the slavers from positions of power and stopping reconstruction.

      Racial/Ethnic/Religious caste systems are a race to the bottom. They are a suicidal purity cult.

      I should note that you are factually wrong. Jews have very rarely been an ethnic majority, yet many cultures have managed to not genocide them throughout history. This includes middle eastern countries prior to the Nakba. Don't project out the utterly imperial eurocentric 'pograms are inevitiable' and 'arabs are all that same, and are savages' viewpoint out onto every civilizations.

      European empires created or exacerbated divisions in peaceful populations as a means of colonial control. This is well documented and intentional. Zionism as a project is very very British, they wrote their plans down! Same as they did in South Africa. Same as they did in Ireland.

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expedition32  8 days ago

You can choose a secular government with equal rights and opportunities for all or found a theocracy.

  • idop  8 days ago

    That government, and its country, will be destroyed in three days.