Comment by pjc50
9 days ago
Anyone banging on about coverups of crime due to immigrants should get immediately put in the bad faith argument bin, even if they were a Minister.
9 days ago
Anyone banging on about coverups of crime due to immigrants should get immediately put in the bad faith argument bin, even if they were a Minister.
Why? Immigrants cannot commit crimes?
This kind of logic does more disservice than people realize. You can combat bigotry towards immigrants (issue #1), without covering up for criminal immigrants (issue #2) in fear of increase of issue #1 among the natives. It only brings up more resentment and bigotry.
You can also insinuate that decisions completely unrelated to immigrants (issue #3) are a coverup to "protect immigrants" in order to use the popularity of bigotry towards immigrants (issue #1) to make the issue salient to bigots that have literally no interest in the rights or wrongs of third party court databases, which anyone with the slightest level of political understanding can see is going on here.
> make the issue salient to bigots that have
That’s why the government should be transparent.
Crimes are committed by individuals. "Immigrants" is a group.
Prosecution of sexual assault is often handled extremely badly. It needs to be done better, without fear or favor, including people who are friends with the police or in positions of power. As we're seeing the fallout of the Epstein files.
Immigration policy is one of the most important things people vote for in an election. We need transparent crime data so we can make an informed vote.
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Oh, it's "nothing to see here" bingo time?:
- Policing language to distract from the topic.
- Trying to claim things are just a series of isolated incidents with absolutely nothing in common
- Claiming there are wider problems (that should be addressed in a manner that would take years and isn't even defined well enough to claim measure as being "better")
> Crimes are committed by individuals. "Immigrants" is a group.
Great. How does it change the substance of my comment?
Perhaps, instead of arguing about whether “immigrants” is always a group as a collective, or a certain number of individuals acting together, you would focus on the high level implications of government’s action or inaction?
What do Epstein files have to do with anything right now? Stop shifting the goal posts.
wake up its 2026 even obama and clinton are saying more or less that now about illegal immigration
Can you explain your reasoning? Horrible crimes committed by foreign men against native children were covered up for political reasons in the UK. This is common knowledge.
In the case of Rotherham, I believe that most of those committing the crimes were not foreign; most were British born British nationals. Ethnicity is not the same as immigration status.
Congratulations, you've corrected us on the usage of the word immigrant. Now can we return to the topic?
Whilst we're on Rotherham:
"...by men predominantly of Pakistani heritage" [0]
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-61868863
Their parents or grandparents were immigrants...
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The question is: Would the crimes have been covered up by authorities if the predators were ethnically English and the victims were children of foreigners?
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This database exposed half a million weekend cases which were heard with zero press notification. Many grooming gang trials were heard this way. The database is being deleted weeks before the national inquiry into the grooming gang cover up begins, and the official reason for deleting the data is nonsensical.
The data is publicly available. The data being deleted is the private company’s own copy of it.
Data being "available" and it being accessible/searchable are two completely different things.
Actually that’s what data and the preponderance of victims allege: an intersection of immigration and policing which interlocked to systematically deprioritize the investigation into abuse of working-class white girls by an over represented ethnic group.
In the local data that the audit examined from three police forces, they identified clear evidence of “over-representation among suspects of Asian and Pakistani-heritage men”.
It’s unfortunate to watch people and entire countries twist themselves in logic pretzels to avoid ever suggesting that immigration has no ills, and we’re just being polite here about it.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/17/what-is-the-casey-r...
https://celina101.substack.com/p/the-uks-rape-gang-inquiry
Why? Grooming gangs went from being a far right conspiracy theory to "there was a coverup" being official government position in a week.
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