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Comment by strcat

8 days ago

The founder and CEO of /e/ and Murena openly spreads content from Kiwi Farms and neo-nazi sites. He directly engages in harassment towards the GrapheneOS team. Here's him supporting authoritarians smearing GrapheneOS by replying to threads about it linking to harassment content based on fabrications on a neo-nazi conspiracy site:

https://archive.is/SWXPJ https://archive.is/n4yTO

The communities of several projects including /e/ have heavily engaged in spreading misinformation about GrapheneOS including fabricated stories about our team. They've even taken it to the point of repeated swatting attacks aimed at killing our team members. There are relentless raids on the GrapheneOS community platforms including our chat rooms where Child Sex Abuse Material, gore and endless harassment towards our team members including fabricated stories and harassment content from Kiwi Farms and elsewhere is posted.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I find it very hard to reconcile claims like "repeated swatting attacks aimed at killing our team members...Child Sex Abuse Material..." with the proof offered being a blog post that makes the fairly anodyne (especially read in light of this comment) case that you are an extremely paranoid person whose paranoia leads you to extreme judgements that may harm users. If you are the target of extreme attacks, it seems far more plausible to me that those originate from state actors and security adversaries, rather than from erstwhile allies also trying to build better mobile OSes.

Rather than reading this as "harassment", I would suggest you should try to take it as constructive feedback: You do not play well with others and your prickly interpersonal demeanor hampers the adoption of what is (by all accounts) technically strong software.

  • > Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

    It's your claims which are extraordinarily and have been thoroughly debunked. You're directly engaging in bullying with baseless personal attacks. You make false accusations about us while you're actively engaging in those things.

    > I find it very hard to reconcile claims like "repeated swatting attacks aimed at killing our team members...Child Sex Abuse Material..." with the proof offered being a blog post that makes the fairly anodyne (especially read in light of this comment) case that you are an extremely paranoid person whose paranoia leads you to extreme judgements that may harm users. If you are the target of extreme attacks, it seems far more plausible to me that those originate from state actors and security adversaries, rather than from erstwhile allies also trying to build better mobile OSes.

    It's very easy to see that the site which was linked is a neo-nazi conspiracy site. Gaël Duval knew that when linking to it. Gaël Duval has repeatedly spread harassment and libel content from Kiwi Farms and elsewhere. He has linked to the same harassment content linked in the post. Both of those videos are from Kiwi Farmers and one of them participates on the site with an account in their real name which received identity verification. They openly use the site as their personal army and were the one to involve them.

    Duval very clearly knows that he's directing his community to target our team with harassment by spreading fabricated stories about us. Anyone can take a look around the site which was linked and see a whole lot of the paranoia and delusion you falsely attribute to me with no basis. Duval is opportunistically spreading harassment content to benefit his for-profit business for the same reason he has heavily invested in spreading misinformation about GrapheneOS.

    Duval is not an ally. He's a grifter selling phony privacy products with dramatically worse privacy and security than an iPhone. They're scamming people with false marketing for their products. The supposedly private speech-to-text service from Murena actually just sends user data to an OpenAI service vs. iOS and GrapheneOS doing it locally which is very representative of their overall approach to the apps, services and OS.

    https://community.e.foundation/t/voice-to-text-feature-using...

    https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-stand...

    GrapheneOS is the only open source privacy and security hardened mobile OS based on AOSP in practice. Products using privacywashing for marketing aren't in the same space. They're not allies but rather the misinformation they propagate and the attacks they make on our team are extremely harmful to us. They're the main adversaries. Companies like Microsoft tend to be very friendly to us and open to collaboration vs. these small companies building a business around false marketing who feel very threatened by us so they engage in spreading misinformation and personal attacks on us. Claiming that it's state sponsored is ridiculous. It has been ongoing since long before GrapheneOS had significant adoption and has always been primarily caused by companies who feel threatened by GrapheneOS trying to harm it. Multiple companies have engaged in it because it's very convenient for them to hop onto the existing bandwagon of fabrications/harassment started in 2018. The privacy and security industries are filled with charlatans and scams. We have good relationships with a bunch of legitimate privacy and security projects including QubesOS, secureblue, Molly, Accrescent and MANY others. It's these companies selling supposedly private/secure phones which are in reality not very private and extraordinarily insecure where nearly all the attacks originate from.

    > Rather than reading this as "harassment", I would suggest you should try to take it as constructive feedback: You do not play well with others and your prickly interpersonal demeanor hampers the adoption of what is (by all accounts) technically strong software.

    It's libelous harassment content based on fabricated stories. You're claiming it's not happening while directly engaging in it. You're making the ridiculous claim that it's from state actors while the actual perpetrators are plainly visible and include yourself. It's the community around /e/ and several other projects which are extraordinarily toxic and engaging in harassment. Our community and project doesn't do it. You folks cross-reference your libel, bullying and harassment content entirely based on making up stories, personal insults, etc. while claiming a bunch of fabrications referencing each other is evidence. Calling me paranoid, delusional, etc. with no basis is nothing more than sociopathic bullying. Hacker News moderators shouldn't be allowing it.

    • Please print out this comment and the one that preceded it and show it to a friend you trust to be honest. You should seek therapy, and it will make you a more effective technical leader.

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