Comment by joe_mamba
3 days ago
>It is countries like US where anyone can call themselves whatever they feel like that have devalued our profession.
How have they devalued the profession when the labor of that professions is worth the most in the US?
If I start calling "bananas" "apples" then I devalue the meaning of the word "apple". You can't differentiate which I'm referring to.
If I start calling "bananas" "apples" the price at the store doesn't change.
I think you don't understand what the word "value" means. You understand one meaning, but it has more than one.
> If I start calling "bananas" "apples" then I devalue the meaning of the word "apple". You can't differentiate which I'm referring to.
In French, potatoes are called what translates to English as "apple of the earth". Nobody confuses a pomme de terre with an apple, because nobody calls a potato an apple without the adjective attached.
That's what the additional adjective as part of the title is for; like how apples and potatoes are vaguely related in that they're both plant-based food but are otherwise entirely different; turning "software engineer" into a compound term that has the extra word is specifically to differentiate it from expectations of it not having the extra word.
Software engineering is legitimately engineering going by the etymological meaning of engineering; but it's not really one going by some of the other (mostly orthogonal) things we've layered onto the term in many contexts over the years. It's creation through ingenuity. It has as much claim to the word as part of its title as any other usage of the word does.
Professional labour value isn't synonymous with late stage capitalism without ethics or morals.
Now if you mean for own much one is willing to sell themselves to late stage capitalism, producing low quality products and entshtification, maybe that is the bang for buck right there.
How do you explain the low quality of software coming out of all of the other countries you have mentioned with protected titles?
The software is happening regardless of title and you haven’t given any examples of the value of where kissing the ring to get the certification has been critical to Canada/Germany/Switzerland producing better software.
Are all programmers called engineers in these countries?
You've made such a wild assumption that I'm convinced you're more interested in fighting then discussing
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There are engineers, and there are brick layers.
You mean Android's great quality, or Chrome CVEs by the way?
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>Now if you mean for own much one is willing to sell themselves to late stage capitalism
The government is the one selling you out to late stage capitalism through rampant inflation, business and fiscal regulations and deregulation, offshoring, and various nefarious policies on housing and labor migration.
People just adapt to survive by taking the best paying jobs, since voting clearly doesn't help them.
Don't tell me you're not developing SW for the highest bidder and would take the salary of a fast food worker out of class empathy just to stick it to the evil capitalist.
That is the difference between the US mentality of the winner takes it all that has given us late stage capitalism, entshitification and Trump, and most of the world.
Quality of life and health matters more than anything else.
After a certain point, more money doesn't bring any of that, one is not taking the money into the grave, other than build a mausoleum.
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