Comment by 0_____0
4 days ago
The viewpoints that the folks who run this site have are probably quite alien to your own. They remind me more of the hackers of yore, how people who interacted with technology at the margins of society used to be, before computer tech became the new finance. Iconoclasts, idealists.
I think it's worth reading the some of the rest of their site if you have time. If you look at this page and are about to crap on it on HN, take a bit and read collapse and goals and see if you have a more nuanced view of who they are and what they're doing.
> The viewpoints that the folks who run this site have are probably quite alien to your own.
As someone that finds more kinship with the ideas in this post, this very well sums up the deepening alienation I experience when I compulsively open a new tab to this forum.
I do not believe that, when I created my account 15 years ago, anyone would have called the work of Devine Lu Linvega alien or iconoclast. To me that's one of the purest examples of a hacker. A person that explores the art of computer programming just for the fun of it, instead of relegating it to simply a means to an economic end.
Whoooooo, this comment made me feel ancient. For what it's worth, the time when this sort of thinking was the dominant paradigm _overlapped_ with HN.
>If you look at this page and are about to crap on it on HN
Hundred Rabbits pops up here pretty frequently and people mostly have good things to say, how can anyone dislike them, they're an oasis in a desert full of AI crap these days. I always end up going down some rabbit hole (no pun intended) on their site.
My main critique is their non-commercial licensing. For example, the linked article is BY-NC-SA4.0.
My critique is pretty minor as most of the technical releases from 100 rabbits, as far as I can tell, is libre/free licensed, with the non-commercial licensing reserved for writing and art. Even so, it means there's effort required to decouple the non-commercial aspects of projects from their libre parts and sends a big signal, to me at least, that I should only ever consider their strictly technical work for use.
When talking about permacomputing, for example, I don't know why one wouldn't encourage, in any way possible, commercial viability that would lead to the stated goal.
I have an affinity for the 100 rabbits folks, and I deeply respect a lot of their work, but their reliance on non-commercial licenses means that they're tacitly supporting copyright terms that are dis-proportionally long that, in most cases, is well over a century at this point.
Note that Stallman also has the same stance, putting his work under a "no-derivatives" license, so it's not like free software folks believe in "free culture", either.
It's a good stance, I commend it. Although, there's a history as to why the license is there.
The license exists there so that we were able to do take down requests on OpenSea. We had to make the asset license explicit for OpenSea to take down the copied works off their network.
In a different world where we are not made to participate in crypto ecosystems against our will, we would not have that restriction.
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> When talking about permacomputing, for example, I don't know why one wouldn't encourage, in any way possible, commercial viability that would lead to the stated goal.
Because capitalism is what destroys the world. Fucking duh.
There's very little point in spending so much time thinking about C compilers in forth that run on scavenged z80s these days if capitalism is actually viable.
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I've read this comment about 5 times and still have no idea what you're trying to say
it's a bot or AI or something, check their other comments. totally nonsensical posts
I'm sure I got some things wrong but I'm not sure from your comment what exactly that is.
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> take a bit and read collapse
Fears of a collapse are overblown by people who underestimate the resilience of communities, and over-index on individualism, i.e. preppers.
There is no shame in being a prepper - if you're completely honest with yourself in the odds of the apocalypse you're gearing for, and perhaps after talking to your therapist about ways your childhood fears and insecurities may be showing up in your adult life.
The permacomputing community aren’t quite preppers, although there is some overlap in interests with that community. Preppers are usually concerned about one or more possible disasters and think that with the right gear they can survive the big war, the solar flare, whatever. Permacomputing is a mix of people who think we are already doomed due to climate change, concerned people who think we aren’t yet doomed and want to help/lead by example with simpler tech, and tech minimalists who aren’t worried about doom and who find the projects congruent with their desire for a simpler lifestyle.
I was simply commenting on the Collapse page[1] that was mentioned by gp - not the larger permacumputing community. The collapse page[1] is pure nerd-prepper material - I say this a subscriber to r/DataHoarder with a Kiwix SBC in my go-bag; I know my people. I also am self-aware enough to realize this fantasy is in line with XKCD #208[2].
Anyone that is in the US that is seriously modeling an infrastructural collapse scenario (not a brief period of unavailability), has to consider what that entails: that the federal, state and local governments have failed. If that happens, you'll have much bigger, and more fundamental problems to tackle.
1. https://wiki.xxiivv.com/site/collapse.html
2. https://xkcd.com/208/
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