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Comment by carshodev

19 hours ago

It's not unfair its how every business works. When your product is new or not yet good enough and you want people to try it you give them discounts, or if you want to drive traffic to your service you also do the same.

Even traditional businesses do this with coupons. Is it unfair that Costco sells chickens for under cost because it drives usage to them?

Companies like Uber did use massive funding and price subsidization to try and kill competition and then take a monopoly, but it is hard to assert that this is what google is doing now. And given that other competitors in the space, Anthropic are doing the exact same thing again its not as though they are alone.

Also they could be subsidizing it because they want that usage type as it helps them train models better.

Chatgpt and gpt4 were all ran at a loss and subsidized people just didn't know that. Almost all of the llm companies have been selling 1 dollar of llm compute for 50 cents as they valued the usage, training data, and users more than making profit now.

This next generation of MOE and other newly trained models. Like opus 4.6, Cursor Composer 1.5, gpt 5.3 codex, and many of the others have been the first models where these companies are actually profitably serving the tokens at the api cost.

This year has been the switch where ai companies are actually thinking of becoming profitable instead of just focusing on research and development.

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marcus_holmes  18 hours ago

I'd agree with you if this was some new SaaS just opening its doors.

But Google are banning entire accounts, with years, even decades, of personal history, photos, even phone accounts and app development projects.

They very easily could just negate the anti-gravity access, which would be much, much more reasonable.

  • Thorrez  17 hours ago

    >But Google are banning entire accounts, with years, even decades, of personal history, photos, even phone accounts and app development projects.

    Source? It seems to me only the anti-gravity access was blocked. The link says

    > Our product engineering team has confirmed that your account was suspended from using our Antigravity service.

    > there’s no way we can restore our accounts to use Antigravity anymore yeah?

    Disclosure: I work at Google, but not on anything related to this.

    • marcus_holmes  14 hours ago

      Hmm, you might be right. I'm reading the forum thread linked in the OP.

      > ”Thank you for your continued patience as we have thoroughly investigated your account access issue. Please be assured that we conducted a comprehensive investigation, exploring every possible avenue to restore your access.

      > Our product engineering team has confirmed that your account was suspended from using our Antigravity service. This suspension affects your access to the Gemini CLI and any other service that uses the Cloud Code Private API.

      > Our investigation specifically confirmed that the use of your credentials within the third-party tool “open claw” for testing purposes constitutes a violation of the Google Terms of Service [1]. This is due to the use of Antigravity servers to power a non-Antigravity product.

      > I must be transparent and inform you that, in accordance with Google’s policy, this situation falls under a zero tolerance policy, and we are unable to reverse the suspension. I am truly sorry to share this difficult news with you.”

      I totally read that (and the other posts in that forum) as a complete suspension of their whole Google Account (another person mentions their GCP access suspended).

      But I could be reading it wrong and it's just their AI account (and any service that uses that... I'm not clear on where those boundaries are?)

      Still not going to risk signing up for this, because I cannot risk my Google account getting suspended or banned for something I wasn't aware of in the ToS. No warnings is still drastic, even if it's just part of the account.

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