Comment by KaiserPro
8 hours ago
> Tesla are producing cyber cabs now which are 10th the price of Waymo's and can drive autonomously anywhere in the world.
Wait what? when did they actually enter mass production?
> I mean humans have Lidar sensors
Real time slam is actually pretty good, the hard part is reliable object detection using just vision. Tesla's forward facing cameras are effectively monocular, which means that its much much harder to get depth (its not impossible but moving objects are much more difficult to observe if you only have cameras aligned on the same plane with no real parallax)
Ultimately Musk is right, you probably don't need lidar to drive safely. but its far more simple and easier to do if you have Lidar. Its also safer. Musk said "lidars are a crutch", not because he is some sort of genius, Its obvious that SLAM only driving is the way forward since the mid 00's (of not earlier). The reason he said it is because he thought he could save money not having lidar. The problem for him is that he didn't do the research to see how far away proper machine perception is to account for the last 1% in accuracy needed to make vision only safe and reliable.
> Tesla's forward facing cameras are effectively monocular
Notably, human perception is effectively monocular in driving situations at distances of 60 feet or farther. It's best in the area where your limbs can reach.
We don't need stereoscopic vision to drive.
> Wait what? when did they actually enter mass production?
"mass" is a strong word but the first one came off their production line 5 days ago
ramp to high volume will probably be extremely slow
Not mass production yet, but the first one rolled off the completed assembly line at giga texas last week
Sensor fusion is not far simpler, when the sensors disagree, and they will often, you have to pick which to trust.
It is amazing to see how many people here are confident they know the one true way to build autonomous systems based on nothing but wanting to confirm their biases